Agreed, basically if you are moderate, you have to block 2 or 3 major instances to escape from extremist content. That’s very unwelcoming for new users.
if a “viewpoint” is based on lies coming from a convicted felon rapist traitor to the country, than anyone holding that viewpoint can actually go fuck themselves
edit: as a reminder, we’re talking about people who cause and advocate for this
What a perfect example of what the top comment meant. “You either 100% agree with us or you are a trumpist/fascist/nazi”, no in-between, no nuance, no moderation allowed.
“You either 100% agree with us or you are a trumpist/fascist/nazi”
if someone’s voting for trump, then yea. that’s exactly what they are.
if you sit down to dinner with 8 people and one of them is a nazi, then you’re eating with 8 nazis
maybe trump voters don’t come to lemmy because they know they’ll get shat on. they’re free to make an instance of their own like hexbear and lemmygrad.
but the thing about trump voters is that you can’t have a rational discussion with them, because they throw everything they don’t like to hear out the window as “fake news”
I see both. Even moderate conservative view point tend to get straw manned as being MAGA. Heck I see left leaning people who just didn’t like that Biden was running get bashed for suggesting the Democrats run a different candidate. Now I see the same on anything less the pro Kamala.
If Harris anonymously posted a self criticism on here I wouldn’t be surprised if people called her MAGA. That’s not to say everyone here acts that way but a vocal percentage does.
Anytime you mention anything right wing you get a lot of downvotes and a lot of railing against MAGA. It is almost enough to make me vote for Trump just out of spite. There might be a “silent majority” that doesn’t do that, but the evidence that anyone can see: comments and votes are clearly intolerant of all right wing discussion.
Just look at all the different replies I’ve got - most of them instead of looking at Lemmy in the mirror proved the point by jumping onto railing against MAGA.
To me, voting for Trump “out of spite” doesn’t sound like something a person would do if they cared about others. I hope you won’t do that.
I think the problem is more that maga has taken over the right wing, and instead of distancing themselves from maga, a lot of conservatives end up defending it. Which should not be tolerated imo.
If someone is intolerant of maga, what is so hard about saying “I don’t like them either”
But I’d implore you to wait a Moment and think about it. Voting for Trump isn’t only going to “own the Tankies”, It will also damage everyone else, including you. Don’t let others bully you into voting for someone that doesn’t help you. Be egoistic, vote for someone who actually cares about you.
oh that’s right-- conservatives also push for privatizing and deregulating everything, small government (except when it comes to gay marriage and gay books in the library), mandatory jesus for everyone, no taxes for billionaires, all the taxes for peasants, blaming all the world’s problems on mexicans-- what am i leaving out? oh yea, this
Let me head over to lemmy.ml and create a list of all the things the left wing stands for too. There is no particular agreement on any side on all issues. Governments have often done a poor job of what they should do, and when they do something you don’t get any options. There are many regulations causing more harm than good. And so on - there is plenty of observation and logic behind the various right wing positions - you don’t have to agree with them, but please start thinking about things from other points of view and understanding instead of attacking someone who makes one point on every possible thing you disagree with assuming they both support that other thing as well, and also that they are evil.
My point is that there is a infinity of nuance between the far left and trumpist, but too many extreme leftists tend to consider anything right of them as far right, therefore forbidding discussion that doesn’t 100% go their preferred way. This is part of what makes a big chunk of Lemmy unwelcoming.
i mean, top comment started with a criticism that generalized the entirety of lemmy, so i understood it to be a thing that was totally fine in this thread
Not every method of viewing Lemmy shows things like that… all I see is “muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee,” no flags or whatever. Thankfully, I have a good memory - so I’ll be able to remember that you’re an international twat.
please. republicans are 100% responsible for this. try to make it about anything other than right wing viewpoints
and in case it hasn’t been made clear, i’m not disagreeing with the point that right wingers aren’t welcome, i’m explaining why, and why they shouldn’t be welcome fucking anywhere. republican “values” are a fucking cancer
The politics is very left wing and very unwelcoming to any other viewpoint.
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Tankies gonna tankie
Agreed, basically if you are moderate, you have to block 2 or 3 major instances to escape from extremist content. That’s very unwelcoming for new users.
Extremist…lol. Please continue to feel unwelcome.
If you don’t see grad as extreme you are lost in the sauce
They’re extremist and openly advocate murder. Hexbear users threatened to kill me.
Some Hexbear users wished to some French instances users to get more Charlie Hebdo events.
if a “viewpoint” is based on lies coming from a convicted felon rapist traitor to the country, than anyone holding that viewpoint can actually go fuck themselves
edit: as a reminder, we’re talking about people who cause and advocate for this
What a perfect example of what the top comment meant. “You either 100% agree with us or you are a trumpist/fascist/nazi”, no in-between, no nuance, no moderation allowed.
if someone’s voting for trump, then yea. that’s exactly what they are.
if you sit down to dinner with 8 people and one of them is a nazi, then you’re eating with 8 nazis
maybe trump voters don’t come to lemmy because they know they’ll get shat on. they’re free to make an instance of their own like hexbear and lemmygrad.
but the thing about trump voters is that you can’t have a rational discussion with them, because they throw everything they don’t like to hear out the window as “fake news”
so yea. they can still go fuck themselves
Not everyone who is right wing is voting for trump.
Are you seeing Lemmy being intolerant of all right wing discussion, or just Maga bullshit like sol is railing against
No need to go right actually, even defending social democrate values may attract intolerant leftists on some instances.
I see both. Even moderate conservative view point tend to get straw manned as being MAGA. Heck I see left leaning people who just didn’t like that Biden was running get bashed for suggesting the Democrats run a different candidate. Now I see the same on anything less the pro Kamala.
If Harris anonymously posted a self criticism on here I wouldn’t be surprised if people called her MAGA. That’s not to say everyone here acts that way but a vocal percentage does.
Anytime you mention anything right wing you get a lot of downvotes and a lot of railing against MAGA. It is almost enough to make me vote for Trump just out of spite. There might be a “silent majority” that doesn’t do that, but the evidence that anyone can see: comments and votes are clearly intolerant of all right wing discussion.
Just look at all the different replies I’ve got - most of them instead of looking at Lemmy in the mirror proved the point by jumping onto railing against MAGA.
To me, voting for Trump “out of spite” doesn’t sound like something a person would do if they cared about others. I hope you won’t do that.
I think the problem is more that maga has taken over the right wing, and instead of distancing themselves from maga, a lot of conservatives end up defending it. Which should not be tolerated imo.
If someone is intolerant of maga, what is so hard about saying “I don’t like them either”
That’s because all of right wing politics is hurting people for no good reason.
I absolutely 100% get what you mean.
But I’d implore you to wait a Moment and think about it. Voting for Trump isn’t only going to “own the Tankies”, It will also damage everyone else, including you. Don’t let others bully you into voting for someone that doesn’t help you. Be egoistic, vote for someone who actually cares about you.
oh that’s right-- conservatives also push for privatizing and deregulating everything, small government (except when it comes to gay marriage and gay books in the library), mandatory jesus for everyone, no taxes for billionaires, all the taxes for peasants, blaming all the world’s problems on mexicans-- what am i leaving out? oh yea, this
Let me head over to lemmy.ml and create a list of all the things the left wing stands for too. There is no particular agreement on any side on all issues. Governments have often done a poor job of what they should do, and when they do something you don’t get any options. There are many regulations causing more harm than good. And so on - there is plenty of observation and logic behind the various right wing positions - you don’t have to agree with them, but please start thinking about things from other points of view and understanding instead of attacking someone who makes one point on every possible thing you disagree with assuming they both support that other thing as well, and also that they are evil.
a vote for R is objectively the wrong vote
But nobody talked about Trump, did they?
You assumed and started that.
My point is that there is a infinity of nuance between the far left and trumpist, but too many extreme leftists tend to consider anything right of them as far right, therefore forbidding discussion that doesn’t 100% go their preferred way. This is part of what makes a big chunk of Lemmy unwelcoming.
They do the same even if people suggest vote 3p…
Lemmy.world politics and news subs got deranged kamala zealots and dnc acolytes driving narratives. Peak elections got them spazzing extra hars too
Staunch Obama and Biden supporter here … I’ve read Obama and Kamala’s most recent books…
You do not need to be a Trumpie to get annoyed with the “everything is emshittified”, “fuck capitalism”, etc posts and comments.
Thank you for providing a great example of this
i mean, top comment started with a criticism that generalized the entirety of lemmy, so i understood it to be a thing that was totally fine in this thread
OP never stated what country they’re from, you’ve just gone on some rant about Trump without even thinking that they may not be from the US.
Classic US defaultism.
I put a little flag in my username and still get us defaultism. So i guess the Americans are just morons.
I don’t see a flag, just ‘muntedcrocodile’
What client u using ima make an issue on github. Depends on language if i can make a pull request.
Voyager on Android. I had no idea you could change display names
Not every method of viewing Lemmy shows things like that… all I see is “muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee,” no flags or whatever. Thankfully, I have a good memory - so I’ll be able to remember that you’re an international twat.
Well stop using a shit client that doesnt support displaynames.
true, there are non-US right-wingers. but in this case the commenter mentioned he might just vote for trump “out of spite” LOL
so my “US defaultism” was correct
Are we though?
Where did we start talking about “this”?
You decided to make it about “this”.
https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala?
please. republicans are 100% responsible for this. try to make it about anything other than right wing viewpoints
and in case it hasn’t been made clear, i’m not disagreeing with the point that right wingers aren’t welcome, i’m explaining why, and why they shouldn’t be welcome fucking anywhere. republican “values” are a fucking cancer
I’m pretty sure Lemmy has a right wing bloc of instances.
Maybe but they are not in my feeds.
I finally found an anti-establishment libertarian instance!
https://lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org/
https://sh.itjust.works/ looks like they have conservative posters
Hmmm interesting, I should search for them.
I could see libertarians starting up their own instances.
Ive had a look af them and most are filled with posts that have 80% dislikes on them.