The leaders of the Democratic National Committee announced they plan to learn absolutely nothing from their embarrassing loss to President-elect Donald Trump.
How can this be a rejection of the far left when Harris campaigned as a moderate (e.g. Cheney)? If republican voters are going to think Democrats are communist regardless of how moderate the Democrats are, maybe moderating isn’t a good strategy. If the only choice is between right-wing and lite right-wing, right-wing voters will choose the real thing. Even then, Trumpists will still call democrats communists.
Many left polices are popular when they aren’t labelled as left
Thats the fun part, people consider dems “far left” because… Reasons, I guess? This country is so far right just the idea of building more housing counts as communist.
This is what gets me. Like it’s been proven to be a bad policy. So when people say it’s bad do people equate that with “leftist ideas are bad”? Like if leftists want support you should lead with ideas that aren’t bad according to actual data. There are plenty of ways to increase housing and do a ton of other stuff that has data backing it as being an effective use of funds.
Same with affordable housing. We had a ballot measure to basically make a big pot of money and “support affordable housing.” How? It certainly makes zero sense to build new housing out of that pot (ie. it’s expensive as fuck.) Do you just subsidize? What are the criteria? And what are you doing to affect the root issue that is lack of actual supply of housing? Are you cutting red tape? Are you removing minimum parking requirements? Are you developing transit and relaxing building codes (ie. higher is good) at certain lengths from transit stops?
I’ve long seen way too many leftist ideas that are more good feeling than good thought. Which is admirable to some extent but it also shows why they fail. Especially when you take into account that it would help the extremely marginalized but you’re also now asking the already poor “middle class” to foot yet more bills for something that they won’t directly see any benefit from.
Exactly. Every Democrat ever nominated is on the radical left, or is one of the “most liberal,” according to the Republican propaganda machine.
But their base is generally super ignorant of the rest of the world so it works. They have no frame of reference for what left and right really are, or how other societies function and get better results.
But that is asking a lot of them. These are the people who lined up to vote for the ticket with the VP that previously called the nominee America’s Hitler. Asking them to consider the finer points of leftist policies improving human lives on the other side of the world is like getting your dog to switch to Linux. There are just so many basic pieces missing that it’s hard to choose where to start.
Reminds me of that joke about how there are only two races: White, and political. It’s disheartening to see folks (some here on Lemmy) confusing listening to the concerns of brown-skinned people with leftism. The Arab-Americans in Michigan, for a relevant example, are just people with a range of political opinions like the rest of us.
Local opinion piece:
https://www.startribune.com/brehm-democrats-have-themselves-to-blame-for-trumps-election/601176736
I read it because of the title, but it’s just some shithead that wants them to move further right:
They are already creating the groundwork for sucking more corporate dick.
How can this be a rejection of the far left when Harris campaigned as a moderate (e.g. Cheney)? If republican voters are going to think Democrats are communist regardless of how moderate the Democrats are, maybe moderating isn’t a good strategy. If the only choice is between right-wing and lite right-wing, right-wing voters will choose the real thing. Even then, Trumpists will still call democrats communists.
Many left polices are popular when they aren’t labelled as left
@theonion
Thats the fun part, people consider dems “far left” because… Reasons, I guess? This country is so far right just the idea of building more housing counts as communist.
True. Even in California, the affordable housing measure and rent control measures both failed.
Rent control is bad policy
https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/113/446/087/286/939/418/original/cd5415118403b574.png
@theonion
No it’s not, it’s a great policy, it just needs to be supplemented by incentives to build or direct government building programs.
Nawwe, fuck off with that. There’s no reason to believe that graph represents anything except what was in the mind of the person who made it.
This is what gets me. Like it’s been proven to be a bad policy. So when people say it’s bad do people equate that with “leftist ideas are bad”? Like if leftists want support you should lead with ideas that aren’t bad according to actual data. There are plenty of ways to increase housing and do a ton of other stuff that has data backing it as being an effective use of funds.
Same with affordable housing. We had a ballot measure to basically make a big pot of money and “support affordable housing.” How? It certainly makes zero sense to build new housing out of that pot (ie. it’s expensive as fuck.) Do you just subsidize? What are the criteria? And what are you doing to affect the root issue that is lack of actual supply of housing? Are you cutting red tape? Are you removing minimum parking requirements? Are you developing transit and relaxing building codes (ie. higher is good) at certain lengths from transit stops?
I’ve long seen way too many leftist ideas that are more good feeling than good thought. Which is admirable to some extent but it also shows why they fail. Especially when you take into account that it would help the extremely marginalized but you’re also now asking the already poor “middle class” to foot yet more bills for something that they won’t directly see any benefit from.
Depends on how it’s done.
Exactly. Every Democrat ever nominated is on the radical left, or is one of the “most liberal,” according to the Republican propaganda machine.
But their base is generally super ignorant of the rest of the world so it works. They have no frame of reference for what left and right really are, or how other societies function and get better results.
But that is asking a lot of them. These are the people who lined up to vote for the ticket with the VP that previously called the nominee America’s Hitler. Asking them to consider the finer points of leftist policies improving human lives on the other side of the world is like getting your dog to switch to Linux. There are just so many basic pieces missing that it’s hard to choose where to start.
Reminds me of that joke about how there are only two races: White, and political. It’s disheartening to see folks (some here on Lemmy) confusing listening to the concerns of brown-skinned people with leftism. The Arab-Americans in Michigan, for a relevant example, are just people with a range of political opinions like the rest of us.
No war but class war, buddy
My man ❤️
Holy shit. They really think Harris was “far left”??
Wait, there was nothing progressive about this campaign except for paying a little lip service to legalizing weed.
Calm down with the extremism there Karl damn.
Hardly surprising coming from the Star Trib these days… I knew it was bad when they refused to even endorse a candidate.