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“I can’t believe known liar Donald Trump would lie to us! I can’t even imagine how a liar who lies about everything would lie!? It’s unimaginable!”
What you just said is a lie because Trump never lies, liar!
“It’s insane to think a convicted fraud would lie, right?”
He’s been vocal about blocking this deal for a while now. What lie are you talking about? Even Biden and Harris expressed interest in blocking it.
Leopards are going to be obese
That’s how we stop them … let the leopards eat so many faces that they get big and fat and can’t eat any more faces.
Only problem is, they’ve been eating faces for thousands of years and they’re still not full :(
Like the kill bots? Throw people at them until they hit their pre defined killing limit so they shut down. I like the cut of your jib.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Their racism ties are stronger than their union ties.
They voted for him for their prejudices, not for their workers rights.
They’re going to get the racism they wanted, they just thought he’d also support their unions. They’re upset they can’t get both things, but they won’t trade their racism for union support, even now. They want both, but if they can have only one, it’s racism. They’ll just bitch about this.
You realize the union is against this acquisition? If this sale goes through, US Steel executives get a windfall and union members, without any protections, get to look for another job. Trump, Biden, and Harris all campaigned against it.
Union leaders at the Irvin Works in West Mifflin say 95% of their members are in favor of the Nippon merger, and many of them were at the Trump rally in Pittsburgh one day before the election.
The union leaders say they were initially skeptical of the deal, but support grew after they met with Nippon executives who visited the area during the summer. Nippon pledged to spend $1 billion to upgrade the 86-year-old hot strip mill at Irvin.
https://www.wtae.com/article/us-steel-nippon-trump-steelworkers/63085379
Says the steelworkers union organization officially opposes it, so sounds like the union leadership is split but the workers support it.
The jobs are even at more risk if US Steel goes under. Unless nationalization is an option.
It should be. There’s a few industries you have to prop up even if they’re wildly uneconomical because we know for a fact what happened the last time nations let globalization ruin their war production capability. Hell the American steel industry is arguably the single most important industry for about 120 years and arguably the main reason the allies won either world war.
If tariffs are increased and migration reduced, there is a good chance the working class will get more economic power long term. The inflation will sky rocket, but so may blue collar salaries. I believe that’s i big reason why Trump won. Sometimes the gut or common sense triumphs the neoliberal dogma.
I doubt salaries will skyrocket, sure there will be more people being hired to meet domestic demand increasing but I doubt that companies will actually pay more to their employees. And even if they do I can’t imagine that it will be a significant increase when taking into account the inflation that will be caused.
The tariffs don’t mean that there will be an increase in domestic production. It means manufacturers will seek out a different source for cheap materials. If those happen to be domestic, that’s good. Most likely they will be from some other nation like India.
Yeah I agree, I was just looking at it from the best case scenario that might lead to salary increases to show that even then it probably won’t happen.
The supply and demand should at least be in favor of blue collar. But there might be a lot of political repression and union busting. Still, there will for sure be some shift in economic power, that will favor unions and the value of labor in general. Exciting times ahead. Similarities with 1920s are overwhelming.
I mean I guess exciting is one way to put it if you find the great depressing exciting. Even if it did lead to FDR and a number of progressive policies it still took around a decade of horrible unemployment and poverty to get to that point.
Yeah, but the happy times in the 50s to the 70s had one more factor, that the world was recovering from an insanely destructive world war that left the US unscathed, a unique thing at the time.
China was just coming out of a nation-deciding civil war, in addition to the genocide and war with Japan, Japan had Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Europe was in ruins and was gearing up to holding guns to each other’s heads for the next 40 years, and Russia was kinda like it is now.
I wasn’t even really talking about the boom after the war, I was talking more about the progressive reforms and things that happened that helped end the great depression which was mostly before the war. The war definitely helped continue that recovery and expand it into what we saw after the war but I think generally people agree the great depression was over in 1939 which was right as the war was starting.
Yep. Things will only get shittier in the US for as long as they/you don’t reverse the inequality trend. It’s impossible to have a functional democracy with the current gini coefficient. And it’s rapidly getting worse.
At some point, from an evolutionary perspective, it’s probably rational to crave chaos, system collapse or revolution, if you’re at the perceived socioeconomic bottom. Trump 2.0 might have been that point. Democrats didn’t present a credible solution, rather they just demonstrated that they don’t understand much. Just more neoliberal globalist crap, sprinkled with a touch of welfare and identity politics. Then it might be better to just opt for high risk and chaos, and hope you get lucky.
(I know there are good democrats as well, but they’re not in charge.)
Yeah I totally agree, I’m just still holding out hope there’s some way to get real reforms that help people cause that would be the best case scenario. But yeah it is starting to seem that chaos and system collapse might be the only way to get real change. I just worry we’re at a point where if the system collapses we’ll end up with Nazi Germany rather than New Deal America.
It’s a gamble for sure.
Interesting, but wouldn’t higher salaries be cancelled out by the higher inflation?
Yes, but there might be a shift in power. It can have a progressive effect as long as there are enough jobs. Everyone will become more poor in absolute terms for sure. It could lead to more domestic productivity enhancing investments, which hopefully will lead to better education and work conditions.
But to be fair, nobody knows what will happen. We’re all just guessing and hoping. Usually the poor get fucked no matter what. It’s a gamble. But the current trade balance is for sure unsustainable and it relies on military domination (which also is unsustainable).
Holy fuck you believe that too, don’t you?
What do you believe?
Could you better explain this cause-effect relationship between higher tariffs coupled with reduced migration and increased blue-collar salaries?
Trump has been saying he was going to block this deal since early in his campaign. The Biden Administration was / is going to block it as well. The United Steelworkers Union has publicly said that it wants it blocked.
So WTF is all of this hubbub about? What’s happening here is absolutely no surprise at all.
Trump said something and then proceeds to actually do it?
I would be surprised too.
Okay I snorted out loud at that one. That WOULD be a surprise!
Donald trump may be the president with the most amount of follow-through, it will just Depend on how it’s measured.
These are not well-informed people.
I bet Nippon paid for this article.
Either that, or the US Steel executives who would have made bank during the sale. I previously thought Lemmy would have never supported big business interests over a union; however, the responses to this post are making me think otherwise.
I’m a local union president, I hate Trump, and I believe blocking this deal is incredibly important. People are simply too easily manipulated these days. Protecting union jobs is the whole point of a union.
“the scorpion won’t sting me, or he would surely drown as well. What healthy, rational animal would want to destroy itself?” - frog
“They’re eating the cats and dogs, fuck paying overtime, and white ethnostate nationalists are my friends” - brainrot scorpion
This is shit propaganda and most of you are eating it up. The union didn’t want this deal either. Harris and Biden also pledged to block it. Just yesterday, the union released a statement thanking Trump for reiterating his support:
Not exactly. Everything you said is true, but the post is also true. The union does support the blocking of this deal at the national level. But some local workers and officials support the deal.
Trump upsets local union leaders by opposing U.S. Steel-Nippon deal https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/gut-punch-trump-upsets-local-union-leaders-by-opposing-us-steel-nippon-deal/
Trump promised to block the sale of U.S. Steel. What does that mean for the Pittsburgh area? https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/trump-us-steel-sale-pittsburgh-impact/
Steelworkers Feel ‘Gut Punch’ as Trump Plans to Block Takeover https://www.newsweek.com/pennsylvania-steelworkers-donald-trump-plans-block-us-steel-nippon-merger-1995300
Trump vows to block U.S. Steel’s takeover by Japan’s Nippon Steel https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-to-block-us-steel-nippon-steel-acquisition/
Trump vows to block Nippon Steel’s purchase of U.S. Steel https://finance-commerce.com/2024/12/trump-vows-to-block-nippon-steels-purchase-of-u-s-steel/
Trump vows to block Japanese steelmaker from buying US Steel, pledges tax incentives and tariffs https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-vows-block-japanese-steelmaker-buying-us-steel-116416311
No, this post isn’t true. It immediately claims “they fell for the con,” implying that these union members voted for Trump thinking he would back the deal and were betrayed. However, Trump, Biden, and Harris all have been consistently against this acquisition. Even four of your linked articles use the term “reiterated” when describing Trump’s stance. This is something he campaigned on. Nobody “fell for a con.” Sure, a few union members may have disagreed; however, if they thought any of the two-party candidates were going to allow this, they were delusional.
OK, I’ll admit “fell for the con” may be a bit strong bordering on false, I meant the fact that the general point of the post is true. These specific people were convinced Trump was going to do one thing and then got upset when he did the opposite. I think it’s equally too strong to call it outright propaganda. Your comment makes it sound as though the entire thing is fabricated.
Zugai said he attended Trump rallies in Westmoreland County and Pittsburgh in the run-up to the election, even meeting with the president-elect at one, and helped organize steelworkers to attend.
Trump did not mention any opposition to the U.S. Steel-Nippon deal at those rallies. Zugai said Trump told him then that he would take another look at the deal after he won the election.
Zugai said he was hopeful Trump would eventually support it after speaking with Mon Valley workers and members of Mon Valley communities.
So yes, you could argue they’re delusional and deluded themselves into believing he may change his mind on the policy, but they did vote for him on that basis and so felt betrayed and conned when reality happened.
Also we obviously don’t know whatever conversation he personally had with Trump, but it could have potentially been enough to convince him there was a real chance of Trump changing his mind, and Trump may have intentionally led him to believe that, but that’s obviously speculation. I do think that’s what he truly believed though. And it appears Trump didn’t actively try to make it clear at the time.
Man, that geriatric orange pervert sure does act like a healthcare CEO…
You don’t want Vance at the helm. Trump can be distracted by rattling keys, Vance is as sharp as a tack.
It’s funny how I’ve seen this EXACT comment weeks ago.
It’s not like US citizens lack ammo to do it twice
Not condoning violence though
ROFL All his lies are clearly available online; the fuck around and find out phase is going to be epic for all the fools that actually believed Trump. I’m admittedly terrified for those who are in the marginalized communities, though, because this will likely be a presidency that erodes a lot of protections for those that racists and bigots hate. 😔
Leopard meet face
Aside from Trump being an awful
liarhuman, he is also evidently Japanophobic. What good logical reason is there to oppose the deal? Japan isn’t a rival like China, it is the US’s most willing ally. This will hurt more than just union jobs.he is also evidently
JapanophobicWith this small correction, everything makes sense
Everyone knew this…
well, not EVERYONE, obviously.
The leopards are hungry for faces already?
Lol they’re not even the first ones they gnawed on this time, not to mention last time. People are so goddamn short sighted, I’ve lost the last shred of faith I had in my fellow Americans.
And the worst part? The dumbest part? Multiple large blocs of voters voted for him for different stupid reasons. Again.
I never thought they’d eat MY face
honestly I have to agree with this. I don’t agree with a lot of things he wants to do, but directly outsourcing more industries out of the US isn’t helpful to the US. Costs stay up since it rarely leads to prices going down once they are up. it just moves out of country/makes us more dependant on others
This is one of the issues both parties agreed on. Trump, Biden, and Harris all pledged to block the deal and the union was against it too. OP should be ashamed of posting this.
4 more years of the dumbest sheep of all time complaining about the wolf they just worshipped like a god, while the entire time he told them he was going to fuck their lives up so hard the moment he got the chance.
