I came across a post on Reddit showing Mussolini at the end of his career, specifically him hanged from his ankles in the Piazzale Loreto. I left a comment, “we didn’t get the chance to do this with Hitler, but we should make this traditional.” Yes, not the most benign comment, but far “threatening violence or physical harm,” at least I think so. A bot must have come across that and thought “beep boop,” because suddenly my account was permanently banned. It’s honestly insulting that a human took no part in this process.
Yeah, got banned on one of my accounts for supporting the killing of a nazi. Some people were pointing out someone having kids and I pretty much said so fucking what? Nazis can have kids, they still need to die.
This caused me to look it up the death of Mussolini and, holy shit, old American newsreels didn’t fuck around.
Around here, you can say what you really meant quite outright and most instances won’t blink (except, ironically, the one you and I are on got a little heat for this exact thing, lol, they want to be most like Reddit).
Obligatory Saint Luigi blessing for the banned:
remember kids:
A place in heaven is reserved for those who speak truth to power
It’s not illegal if you do it to save your country
You dropped your /s king…
For those of you asking wtf, this is a Donald Trump quote.
I’m with you, but as Noam Chomsky said, power already knows the truth. They are busy hiding it. Better speak the truth about power.
It’s not that power doesn’t know the truth - it’s that speaking it to them is a direct confrontation.
And without confrontation, no system will allow fundamental change.
The courage and sacrifice of the act of speaking truth TO power are what embolden others to do the same. It also forces the power in question to respond to the truth teller, and their response, no matter what it is, weakens their hold.
For instance, attempting to paint the truth teller as a liar (FAKE NEWS) falters in the face of fact checkers. This erodes the public trust for the power in question.
Censoring the truth teller can suppress the story only partially, and legitimizes their cause to the public once it gets out.
Arresting the truth teller creates a public spectacle which elevates the truth teller to the status of celebrity and almost certainly ensures their message gets out.
Killing the truth teller creates a martyr.
Blessed be our saint Luigi!
Truly you’re doing the gods’ work
I was banned by a bot for threatening violence… against myself. I merely said “it’s comforting to me that if things ever get bad enough I can just blow my brains out.” Now a moderator did unban me when I appealed, but it’s like you say… insulting that bots are banning without human review in the first place.
Anyways, I decided to leave Reddit for good this time and left on a final post saying I hope He Who Shall Not Be Named inspires more bloodshed of terrible people ruining the world to line their own pockets. That’ll probably get the account permabanned. Good riddance.
Tbh that’s what’s keeping me from freaking out.
FFS that’s ridiculous. If you’d said that was all you were banned for a few months ago I’d have thought you were lying. But that ban is standard now.
To me your comment was clearly a joke. There’s nothing serious about it, you’re not rallying others, there’s no vitriol or aggression. Warn or shadow ban, fine. Perma ban is excessive.
Also keep in mind that the chuds have been making a concerted push to go around Reddit and report every anti-fascist post and comment they can find. Between that and the recent Reddit crackdown against anything Luigi related, the place is quickly turning into StormFront 2.0.
No, not our Steve Huffman. He’d never do anything unethical, much less authoritarian.
[squealing intensifies]
- A human was involved in the process at some point
- Your comment was “threatening violence or physical harm”
- In my opinion there’s nothing wrong with threatening Nazis with “violence or physical harm” - they’re Nazis, their entire schtick is genocide, how do people think that they’re supposed to be dealt with, tea and cakes? Chamberlain tried that, didn’t work. What did work was killing a whole bunch of them. For my entire childhood and most of my adult life people were lauded for the effort of killing Nazis or dying in the attempt.
Cake or death!?
The cake is a lie.
In PI there is truth.
Can you name a single person who is threatened by a democratically decided punishment for organizing genocide.
At worst its a statement in support of using systematic violence as a punishment for crimes against humanity. But discussion isn’t a threat.
Saying: “Everyone who think x, must be killed” is a threat to violence.
Hitler did not just think racist things. He was not only expressing himself or identifying as a Nazi. He was unmistakable guilty of organizing a genocide.
There are many self identifying nazis today but there is no demographic of people who belong to the specific group that fits actual Hitler and actual mussolini.
I can think of a handful alive today that are heading that way but even if those empires broke down tomorow they would not have committed enough evil to qualify.
Can you name a single person who is threatened by a democratically decided punishment for organizing genocide.
If I understand your question correctly: Radovan Karadžić
Yeah that seems to check out.
Wikipedia states he is imprisoned for life for the crime of genocide.
That outcome personally has my preference but to bring it to the matter at hand.
Op basically suggest that rather then incarceration for life they should be given the death penalty.
I cant see such thing as a threat. Because in so many “modern” places its the status quo. Definitely not as a offending expression to be banned.
Til the day we as a species evolve to a post death penalty world without state monopoly on violence such discussion are as normal as humanity itself.
You’re missing the bit where NATO had to go in and participate in the war to prevent further ‘ethnic cleansing’ by the Serbs.
War crimes trials only happen after the war is concluded.
As for OP, what they’re doing is saying fascists actively being fascists deserve death. It’s not like people who are currently supporting fascism can’t stop being fascists. The choice is up to them.
Gun to your head, certainly means you can’t stop being fascist. A normal human is not going to stand up to fascism in reality.
Loads of normal people stood up to fascism everywhere it has occurred. Some did it it in big ways many did it in little ways and in 1945 it was fairly comprehensively beaten into submission. What OP recognises is that it’s easier to oppose before it consolidates and not after. Part of the consolidation process requires that fascism be normalised and consent be manufactured. That is the stage we’re in right now and that is why Huffman is making reddit a safe space for the normalisation of fascism.
Thats is in all honesty not how i read ops message though.
They want to make the dynamic where the organizers of ethnic cleaning are held accountable a set tradition. And the only names in context are Mussolini and Hitler.
The crux of this argument may be what we understand as an active Nazi.
To me Musk is an active Nazi, he speaks their ideology and caters to others that also do and employed its symbolism. But there is no proof that he is or was involved in organizing genocide.
So i don’t think op is saying Musk deserves death (yet).
I also see many people who are openly racist and identify as Nazis. Spread hate. But don’t actually engage in violence. Many of these are indoctrinated or born in such culture. I don’t think they are a target for OP either.
I agree that some of these can decide to stop. which bring me to my truer understanding that these most of these people can learn to be better. Which is exactly my argument not to punish them with violence.
But the organizers who set the machines of death in motion cannot be redeemed this way. Hitler if he was alive can not be pardoned and given acces to the public world. We as a society must come to a consensus what to do with criminals like that.
Spending the remainder of their life in a maximum oppressive system with zero freedom is not a perfect solution. Neither is putting them to death. Both of these options can be supported with ethical arguments, there is no objective winner. Till we find ethical argument for an options that is objectively superior to both ,showing support in favor of the existing solutions is fair and has nothing to do with threatening someone.
I agree the sentiment of a public hanging doesn’t help to see it that way, but language is by default colors to carry emotional value and not only literal value.
I feel similar to “eat the rich” getting banned. No one who states that is seriously advocating for cannibalism.
People support fascism because they are persuaded that their political goals can and will be attainable through violence. Violence is central to the fascist credo. If they are challenged with the credible threat of equal or greater opposing violence they will not be so keen on their chosen route to their political goals because it will involve a level of personal sacrifice that they are not prepared to countenance. If the threat of violence is enough to change their view from fascism to something else then it is a worthwhile alternative to violence without the threat. Although people should be willing to carry out the threat if they do not change their view.
The argument that this view can be reversed so as to support the need for threats of violence and actual violence against anti-fascists overlooks the simple fact that anti-fascists are already being threatened with and exposed to violence. It’s an integral part of the fascist package. That’s the big lesson of the holocaust: by the time there’s something to punish, it’s already too late.
In an academic sense i agree with you that this is how fascism is and that there is logic to it they wont want to pursue a scenario where they do not have the hierarchical upper hand in a violent clash.
However i doubt this is how most modern fascists are and how its ideology spreads. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of Americans neo nazis don’t even know who Mussolini is. The “leopards ate my face” phenomenon is a result of this. So is the “local known immigrant good, stranger immigrant bad” They are essentially brainwashed into the ideology of hate without truly understanding what it is about. They are equally brainwashed to distance themselves or look away from the people around them that do commit violence.
When asked in the streets supporters of trumps deportation plans expressed its only natural that said thing was done in a humane and ethical way and they trust those that execute such plan achieve this. When they do witness violence from their side they believe the victim must have deserved it in some horrible way. Only a small minority understands and expresses a desire to kill just because of ethnicity.
To me the entire war rhetoric between political left vs right is a function of the greater fascist ideal. While we are occupied fighting fascist appearing neighbors, those in power with the money and means to instruct real systematic oppression, censorship and in control of the state monopoly on n violence are not being stopped.
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Mussolini at the end of his career
Hehe. Why is that phrasing so funny?
What about Hitler losing his job?
I don’t know who was worse, Hitler or the guy that fired him.
This is an automoderator do not reply. You are permanently banned for harassment. This was done without the support of humans. Beep boop bye
Sorry I was being woke. Thank you very much for defending freedom of speech by DELETED
While I agree with you in general, let’s not pretend the implication isn’t obvious. Reddit just doesn’t like that implication, and that’s telling us a lot about Reddit.
You implied you should do it to all future “Hitlers”. Who gets to decide who is Hitler? So they had to make an example out of you.
That’s at least the logic I deduced.
Congratulations on your rejection by fascists!
It’s kinda bittersweet. On one hand I won’t abide fascists. On the other hand I’ve had that account since 2012.
I think everyone should spam reddit with these so called “violent” posts. So they have to ban all active accounts. Then they’ll realise they’re being ridiculous
They will realize nothing. They might capitulate if you manage to cost them money, though.
No users means no money surely?
Eventually, yeah, but they’ve been propped up by venture capital for a long time.
I mean, the rules say that encouraging violence is not accepted. Whether the violence is justified or not does not factor here, it still is encouraging violence so the ban is appropriate.
Just because it’s locally consistent with its own rules does not mean it’s globally appropriate in an ethical sense. I believe that’s the point being made here.
Further to that, on reddit that comment would have been acceptable if targeted at Muslim “terrorists”, or Soviets, or any number of the acceptable targets as decided by “centrists”.
Excellent point. I didn’t think of that. If we can say, “kill all terrorists,” we should be able to say, “kill all fascists” because, as we all know, fascists are terrorists.
I wonder how many death threats towards the “woke left” are made in an hour on the conservative sub.
What? No. That would be outrageous. They don’t make claims that we should kill leftists. They just argue that leftists shouldn’t be allowed in the workplace. Also, unemployed people aren’t entitled to food, shelter, medicine, or citizenship. Also, people who steal food, shelter, or medicine should be imprisoned and forced to work for free. Also, recidivists and those who refuse to work for free should be killed. So, no, they’re not openly stating that the woke left should be killed.
Then I think you should prefer the ɟɐsɔᴉsʇ spelling
Only in the mirror, I think you meant:
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