• jnod4@lemmy.ca
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    11 hours ago

    Go speak with real people, everyone I know is terrified of immigrants and want to vote for the furthest right, even pis despite their past scandals with selling visas.

    They’re telling me the ukrainean ““dictator”” is a world wide begger that keeps the war going to get rich. The Polish are clad with propaganda. They will be invaded by the Russians and they will love it

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        8 hours ago

        Millions of Romanians voted a president to join the ukrainean invasion ON THE RUSSIAN SIDE, are you telling me I hallucinated this?

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      9 hours ago

      Can confirm. Trump is also considered a good guy with his hard stance. Wouldn’t say everyone though. That’s just the right wing narrative, which means everyone in certain cities and most rural areas.

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        He’s right though. Bulgarians love Russia, because Russians kicked Turks out over a century ago. Hungary and Slovakia are full on pro Russia right now and are not even hiding it. Plenty of Polish people love PiS who are pro Russian and I have no clue how PiS lost last elections.

        And the Western countries are not much different. Le Pen almost won in France, AFD and Reform are on the rise in Germany and the UK. And, holly fuck, Trump got a second term in the US.

        It is utterly delusional to think that Russia lacks strong support. “Haha ruzzkies” thinking is only playing into Putin’s hand.

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          PiS pro-russian? what the fuck are you talking about

          you can say a lot about them, they’re corrupt, they dismantled judiciary, they’re anti-EU, they’re nationalist, they are republican cocksuckers, but they’re not pro-russian

          e: just like 2 days ago i’ve heard that Duda wants Americans to station nuclear weapons in Poland. that’s pro-russian PiS for you. who do you think are these supposed to be used against, aliens?

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        he’s not wrong. AfD are on the rise in Germany, NF in France, Reform in the UK. Immigration is the core issue for a huge swathe of the european population. whether you believe in russian interferance or not it wont matter when these parties get in, which they will.

        There is some extremely concerning polling in the UK putting reform ahead of all of the other parties including the one currently in government.

        We have some strong european leadership right now in terms of rhetoric, but macron is weak domestically, and Merz had to form a coalition to keep the AfD out

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          “Merz had to form a coalition…”

          Dude, ever since the BRD exists ALL governments in Germany were coalitions.
          Every single one of them.
          So, if you dont understand what you talking about about, please read some wiki article or something, and skip the rightwing bullshit propaganda on youtube, ok?

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            AfD is getting close to large enough to make forming a coalition to cut them out of the decision making process not possible without increasing fragile coalitions from other parties that dont work well together.

            but keep ignoring the problem, sure

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          Immigrants are just a Boogeyman being used as propaganda to prop up Russian-backed conservative political movements.

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            9 hours ago

            so? doesnt mean its not an issue that concerns the average voter. at the end of the day they’re the ones who decide who forms a government

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              But it only concerns the average voter because the Kremlin mouthpieces in politics and the media say it’s supposed to. I can almost guarantee that the average person who falls for this tactic has never had a meaningful interaction with an immigrant to even know what it is they’re supposed to be afraid of.

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                  7 hours ago

                  So we cut the head off the beast to silence it and take those options off the ballot entirely.

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                    that is the nuclear option and can have severe consequences in terms of peoples trust in government and the democratic process.

                    People tend to be deeply upset when you take their choice away from them.

                    It’s not an option that should be used lightly