Bodies of Israeli residents and Palestinian militants lay outside of burned-out homes in the Israeli kibbutz Kfar Aza on Tuesday, days after Hamas launched a large-scale surprise assault on Israel, sending heavily armed fighters pouring across the border from Gaza and rampaging through rural communities.
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Already ~260 Palestinian children have been killed. That number is only going to go up. No sympathy for them? What about sympathy for the Palestinians living under the rule of Israel and Hamas who haven’t had a real election in almost two decades, and whose oppressors can be best described as ‘bad’ (Israel) and ‘worse’ (Hamas)?
People miss this like it’s some ideological struggle. Like siding with Palestine or Israel inherently are causes with some abstract values attached to them. They’re not, not at their core. It’s just a blood feud. It’s just one big, abhorrent, ugly blood feud with no end in sight.
We should have listened to Hannah Arendt.
Nobody gives a fuck about Palestininan children since 1948. Why would they start caring now.
Are we doing a dead child competition? In a thread about slaughtered children, what-abouting other slaughtered children is pretty callous. Here is one of multiple stories that cover the monstrosities happening to Palestinian children. Now that the dead child reporting is fair and balanced can we get back to mourning the tragedy that this thread is about?
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/feels-safe-palestinians-fear-israeli-airstrikes-continue-hamas/story?id=103861511
No, that’s the fucking point. Losing track of sympathy for the people on the ground is dehumanization and to be avoided, regardless of the horrific crimes of Hamas. I was responding specifically to the commenter aoove me in the chain.
Looks like they nuked the thread
What the hell are you even talking about. You’re just using talking points.
Media loves Palestinians. Guess what - Hamas, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, they all love when you conflate them with the poor Palestinians. But they are separate. Palestinians get screwed by Hamas, etc. Western media coverage is deeply problematic. You should know this by now with all the disinformation campaigns online the past 7 years.
To answer your question, there is a shitload of sympathy for them. But you don’t get to do unrepentant violence. Raping and murdering babies.
Please do not ignore Palestinian leaders who steal aid from their own people, brainwash their children to hate Jews, and spout rhetoric that the Jews caused the Holocaust.
Please do not reduce it to a blood feud. It only shows you’re a morally outraged outsider and got no clue. This is hate and racism. It’s middle eastern politics. It’s a proxy war, and it’s a tale of having democracy in a deeply corrupt and autocratic region.
The best thing you can do is stay out of it and stick to your peaceful talking point. Because that’s what we need. Not more uneducated “advocates.” It serves no one.
Didn’t realize those 260 children were secret Hamas-Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese agents. I apologize.
Don’t know where I said that was okay, but go off, I guess.
Again, I don’t know where I said otherwise, but keep tilting at that windmill.
… what exactly do you think a blood feud is, if not hate and racism? I’m curious.
That’s some ‘they hate us for our freedumbs’ level post-9/11 spirit, right there.
You’re beyond out of touch. Are you from the region?
Would you call systemic racism in the USA a blood feud? Would you call white supremacy a blood feud? I think all the words you’re using don’t mean what you think they mean.
do you realize 40% of gaza populations is children under 14? do you realize the west bank has nothing to do with this?
Decades of oppression, povertyv isolation and killing turns people into monsters.
if you were to take a phalastinian child and put him/her in a peaceful/loving environment surely they would become an ideal citizen.
Solution is peace as it has always been.
You don’t even need to take them out of Gaza. There are 2 million people there and Israel estimated 1000 of them took part in the attack. Decades of oppression turns a tiny sliver into murderous extremists, and yet the whole area gets the retribution.
wut?
do you realize 40% of gaza populations is children under 14? do you realize the west bank has nothing to do with this?
Look, I’m angry too. It’s a difficult time to be Jewish because there is a boat load of antisemitism and hate online. And in person.
Apparently it’s not cool to hate black or Asian people, but it’s totally cool to hate Jewish people, even when it’s a thread about how terrorists literally mass murder their babies. No one is saying they are sorry. They are saying poor Palestinians.
Pretty fucking callous.
But let’s not lose sight there are folks caught between radicalism. Blanket statements help no one.
Saying things about the Israeli state is not saying things about all Jews.
So these babies worked for the state? These are state sponsored babies?
I’m quite bothered that people just accepted the Nazi propaganda that the Jewish people are some sort of modern ethnic group. When it is in fact a religion, we’ve literally allowed the Nazis to win in this capacity.
Edit: If someone is willing to conflate the Israeli people with the Jewish people, then it is by default a theocracy. Right-wing, theocracy is bad regardless of which religion it is.
I think it is much more intellectually honest to sever the notion that Israel is the Jewish people. They are not the same thing. To do so is to latch yourself to right wing theocracy.
That’s incorrect and also antisemitic.
Jews are ethnoreligious. They are an ancient indigenous people with indigenous practices, which predates their religion. The religion was born from the practices. To discount them as modern is false.
The Nazis used race to explain character traits and justify their crimes against populations, using race to say that it physically made other races more weak and less intelligent than white race, “scientifically”. That is patently false and disproven. But they used Mengele’s inhumane experiments to try to further that cause. It is in many ways the ultimate expression of white supremacy.
People do not accept that propaganda. They are confused by information like what you’ve shared, rather.
The point you need to learn and teach is to separate the people from the government. Which if you read my other comments, I do with the Palestinian people. I’m careful to condemn the terrorist groups and government, not the people they use as shields and victims. Right now, Israel is trying to secure a corridor to evacuate Gazans. But the problem is that terrorists are using child soldiers. It’s Israeli lives, not religious extremists, that are sacrificed when terrorists embed themselves with their people and then blow them up. However, people online are not able to grasp the concept. Because media reporting is deeply problematic.
The problem is that religious Jews don’t practice hate. There is nothing inherently wrong with a Jewish state. The problem is that religious extremism has taken root in the country, and it is used in a similar manner as in the USA to oppress everyone. Many people don’t want it. But like in the USA, progressive populations have a very difficult time organizing, and with a spine. So the extremists don’t, because their hate and fear unite them. Bibi has made an unholy alliance. Like in the US, something needs to change.
But you need to be honest - religious extremism is everywhere. This is the same hot topic in the United States, which already considers itself One Nation Under God. A country that expressly separates church from state still has these issues.
So, there’s your class for the day.
Setting aside all the other nonsense you put here in your post, you don’t find it at all bizarre, the statement that Israel is trying to create an evacuation corridor for people to escape their own country? Kind of strange.
Here, allow us to create a corridor for evacuation from your country, the country we are bombing. Its wild.
Clearly, you have learned nothing from the United States War on Terror. You can’t fight a terror group because they are comprised of generalized people and are not a functioning organization to destroy. They are not a nation that you can conquer.
You are much like Israel using anti-Semitism as a shield that you can hide atrocities behind. It’s kind of disgusting. I would much rather not bring religion into this whatsoever.
The void of all religious context, what I see, is an occupying force within the Palestinian nation.
The second religion is brought into this confrontation. It becomes very dangerous on either side Religion is not the answer here. It is the problem
It’s sad you feel entitled to an opinion when it’s obvious you use infotainment as your primary source of information/news. To call what I taught you about Nazi views and Mengle experiments on humans nonsense… now I know you are not arguing in any informed manner or good faith.
Hope you get informed before you hurt your friends with your ignorance IRL.
That’s incredibly rich, the majority of the Western infotainment right now is particularly in support of Israel.
To be clear, the nonsense part is your characterization of me, which is horseshit.
For every Israeli child that dies dozens of Palestinians do. One side has wealth and control of the narrative on an international level. I’m sure if Palestinians would get a lot more stories about all the bodies of the dead children if Israel didn’t have an iron grip on Gazas borders and allowed journalists near the ditches they stack the bodies up in.
Hamas, if it was a grownup organization, would have built bomb shelters for the innocent civilians it governs. Instead, it stockpiles arms among civilian buildings, and has it’s own tunnels for safety and benefit of its well-armed, well-off people- not the Palestinians. It left the Palestinians out to dry- not letting them know it was attacking, then receding back to the safety of their tunnels while their stockpiles in civilian buildings got blown up with all the poor people. It’s using them as a human shield.
Terrorist orgs and warlords never give a fuck about their populace. They serve to only enrich themselves and their allies.
Yes, the poor people with very limited resources should of built better infrastructure. A classic and well thought out argument.
With what resources do you expect anyone to protect a group of Palestinians? They are actually landlocked by trade blockades.
What Hamas has done is absolutely deplorable, but I don’t think that it’s too shocking that a group of oppressed people is going to see a terrorist organization as a freedom fighter when you give them no other choice.
It’s like we’ve learned absolutely nothing from our wars in the Middle East.
Hamas is an evil terrorist organization. I don’t think anyone here is saying otherwise, and I assume that’s a truth you fully agree with.
So we all agree, they’re evil. How does that excuse the killing of Palestinian civilians? It would be great if the terrorists thought about the good of their fellow man, but we’ve all recognized that they’re bad guys, so it’s pretty expected they’re not going to do what’s good for their people, but that doesn’t change that a bunch of people who are not Hamas are currently being killed by Israel.
Hamas is a far right organization. Of course they’re not going to be building protective infrastructure for everyone, they’ll resort to violence and small minded thinking… you know, like the same kind of far right conservative government that always takes over when populations are depressed for whatever reason.
There’s no reason anyone should expect a far right group that loves guns and religion and hates women to be acting in everyone’s best interest and not their own interests in securing power at all costs.
but its not