• river@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The end is that babies were mass murdered. That is unequivocally BAD. And universally terrible. It’s something evil that, let’s say Nazis, terrorists do.

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      1 year ago

      Sure. And what does that have to do with not questioning the death of babies Israel is inflicting in response?

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        1 year ago

        Dead Palestinian babies are also the fault of Hamas, and is specifically one of the goals of these attacks.

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          What whitewashing hogwash. “They made us blow up those buildings!” Israel is very much an active participant in them destroying buildings. These aren’t mistakes and aren’t heading off a clear and present danger, they’re retribution. That Hamas made them rightfully angry doesn’t in any way absolve their responsibility for their own choices.

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              1 year ago

              Holy fuck, how did you think those Palestinians are dying? Natural causes?

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                They’re dying because, in part, Hamas has told them to not leave hot areas for designated safe zones and because Hamas refuses to create military and government installations that aren’t dual purpose with civilian purposes (like schools and hospitals).

                I’m sure at the end of this conflict, we’ll find out that there were misfires and some ominous bombinga by Israel and those who did it will get court martialed; but the overwhelming number of strikes are at valid military targets.

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        1 year ago

        And there’s the “what about”ism.

        Yeah… no. Killing babies is bad period mmmkay.

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          That someone would mention the literal killing of babies by Israel is the whole fucking thing you were objecting to. Sorry to intrude on your righteous war fever with the small issue that the response is literally doing the thing you say is “bad period”.

          OP’s (and my) stance is that killing babies is bad, period. You’re the one who seems unhappy that the tragedy you want to think about is being related to the actual killings or children that are ongoing. They’re both fucking horrible, but you don’t seem to think the Palestinian children are also innocent and deserve to live as well.

          “These are monsters and don’t talk about what we’re doing in response” is the cry of the warmongers lusting for retribution.

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            “worry you can’t point out the literal war crimes of one side of this three sided war, because one of the other three sides also commits them”

            And if you point out the hypocrisy, you’re a nazi or anti-semite. Because apparently the government and military of the country of Israel represents ALL jews.

            And I guess bothering to point out that the situation isn’t a simple “take out one group and MAGIC PEACE!” solution that people seem to be implying. Plus the fact that anybody slightly questioning the official story gets shit on when the official story is basically the exact excuse the GOVERNMENT (not the people) of Israel has been waiting for to get what they want, and have made no secrets about for decades.

            Maybe if we hadn’t stuck our collective noses in it for the last 80 years, they’d be a lot better off.

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            Israeli isn’t intentionally killing babies. They’re not going village to village and killing the elderly, infirm and infants. Hamas did that. They intentionally and indiscriminately killed children. The deaths were not collateral damage.

            If Hamas attacked a bridge near the border that was dual purpose (like most bridges are). And on it at the time was a kid on a bike or in a back of a car who perished. We wouldn’t call Hamas baby murderers. That would be collateral dage. When Hamas storms a civilian house, confirms the lack of military presence and then proceeds to execute the occupants. That’s clearly worse.