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    1 year ago

    so it’s fine for apartheid Israel to run an open air prison and support Hamas to weaken the PA’s push towards a 2-state solution for YEARS, but the second it backfires and there are Israeli deaths, then you need to take sides because suddenly the side with power actually experienced the reality of the ethnic conflict they have been pushing

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      1 year ago

      The wall was installed after the last round of terrorism, cutting it by 90+%.

      Hamas is responsible for the isolation. They go, the isolation can be lifted.

      Israel has the right to defend itself, how they do that I can question. Now that their enemies have started a war, I’m adjusting my attitude to suit.

      Really easy way to save Palestinian lives? Hand over the hostages.

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        1 year ago

        do you really think that handing over the hostages will not have the IDF kill a fuck ton of Palestinians?

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          1 year ago

          Yes. History shows us that they will continue to bomb until they get their people back.

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            1 year ago

            nah, history shows that they will keep bombing Gaza until the imaginary blood price has been paid.

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              You clearly don’t understand the history of the region. Israel has given back the Golan to the Lebanese, the Sinai to the Egyptians and Gaza to the Palestinians.

              If you leave them alone, they’ll leave you alone. If you fuck with them, they’ve shown they will grind your bones into dust indistinguishable from the rubble of the buildings you’re hiding your missiles in.

              That’s what history tells us. Hamas is about to get a history lesson.

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                1 year ago

                your not very good with history are you?

                Golan, considered Syrian under Israeli occupation by everyone but the USA (and that only during trumps presidency)

                Sinai, forced peaceful withdrawal by American and Various European nations to open up the Suez

                Gaza, an open air concentration camp

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                  1 year ago

                  Are you trying to claim Israel hasn’t given back lands they captured while being attacked in the Golan and Sinai?

                  Just want to be clear about this.

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                    so, again: Golan: under Israeli occupation right now, this very second, as i type this comment.

                    Sinai: Israel was forced to give this land back by an international coalition that threatened to send their own military to do it instead, this was the solution to the Suez Crisis and ironically one of the few things the USA and the Soviets actually did together, thwarting the French and British neocolonial aims for Africa.

                    Now aside from that, you seem to have a different definition of “being attacked”, you see I don’t view the side that strikes first as “being attacked” but rather “attacking”, I know this is a common myth spread by American conservative groups and think tanks like PraugerU, but it’s just factually incorrect, just like your assertion about Golan.