Don’t have one, don’t have space to have one, don’t have money to get one, don’t have any hope to ever get a place with one. Just like evergrowing amount of people.
Get a cook top. Even nice ones are like 100 bucks. Even induction ones and compatible pans are cheap. Five or six fast food visits and you could’ve bought enough to cook a massive variety of cheap meals.
Thankfully, I’m in pretty good position, I don’t live in US, so my diet consists of food, not of sugar and sawdust. I do have an induction cooktop, and can confirm it’s indeed amazing. My enormous privilege aside, I would like to some day get into the oven territory.
Five or six fast food visits and you could’ve bought enough
But this is the main problem. It’s boots theory all over. For people living paycheck to paycheck the calculation of “if I don’t eat for a week I can invest into myself” doesn’t sound as appealing as for people who can afford to do a little bit of savings.
Yea I agree with you from the perception angle. Being poor is a disgusting trap that the US should be fully ashamed that it still exists.
… Though mathematically, only a fool pays piecemeal for the PRODUCT of what they could do themselves for much, much less. A week of suffering to open up your food options is a strategic move more people should and can make.
If they were truly, completely unable to save money, they wouldn’t be the audience going to fast food that we’re talking about, as fast food is also beyond the truly poor’s budget.
You can get A LOT more food from groceries than fast food for the same price, so if they’re going to fast food and complaining about never being able to afford things… I have good news for them!
For a lot of people in America, a lot a lot, all those people whom I am talking about, there is no such choice.
They’re in food deserts, they’re overworked to death, they don’t have skills, they don’t have equipped kitchens, they don’t have time to cook, they don’t have energy to do it.
It’s a bootstraps problem. How can I work good job and can happily spend an evening cooking a nice meal, but half of Americans can’t? Well, obviously because they’re lazy and probably stupid. Not because of the enormous privilege I have, one so big I can’t even recognise the problems they’re facing.
No one is asking people to spend all evening cooking gourmet meals. Many, many, MANY food items, like a toasted tuna sandwich, grilled cheese, mac n cheese, frying up some eggs, whipping up pre mixed pancakes, etc… They all take less time than it takes to drive to a fast food place, order food, and either drive back, or sit and eat it.
But noooo, let’s choose to be a victim of our own circumstances instead of trying to improve things in the little ways we can control! You are so wise for rolling over and giving up.
I don’t feel like I’m getting through you, but I recommend you watch this video, https://youtu.be/V-a9VDIbZCU. It’s about very related problems, and the host explains the problem I’m describing in an entertaining way with visual examples.
That really blows. Are you living in one of those chinese/japanese domiciles that are essentially just cages for people?
Sardine-culture aside, perhaps you can try an air fryer. I honestly have never used one, but it seems like something people would recommend as a replacement and they take up a fraction of the space.
Not really, at least couple of steps above, it’s 30 square meters overall. It’s nice for me, but the kitchen is too small to have such luxuries as an oven.
Use. Your. Ovens.
But I’m allergic to mittens.
Don’t have one, don’t have space to have one, don’t have money to get one, don’t have any hope to ever get a place with one. Just like evergrowing amount of people.
Get a cook top. Even nice ones are like 100 bucks. Even induction ones and compatible pans are cheap. Five or six fast food visits and you could’ve bought enough to cook a massive variety of cheap meals.
Thankfully, I’m in pretty good position, I don’t live in US, so my diet consists of food, not of sugar and sawdust. I do have an induction cooktop, and can confirm it’s indeed amazing. My enormous privilege aside, I would like to some day get into the oven territory.
But this is the main problem. It’s boots theory all over. For people living paycheck to paycheck the calculation of “if I don’t eat for a week I can invest into myself” doesn’t sound as appealing as for people who can afford to do a little bit of savings.
Yea I agree with you from the perception angle. Being poor is a disgusting trap that the US should be fully ashamed that it still exists.
… Though mathematically, only a fool pays piecemeal for the PRODUCT of what they could do themselves for much, much less. A week of suffering to open up your food options is a strategic move more people should and can make.
If they were truly, completely unable to save money, they wouldn’t be the audience going to fast food that we’re talking about, as fast food is also beyond the truly poor’s budget.
You can get A LOT more food from groceries than fast food for the same price, so if they’re going to fast food and complaining about never being able to afford things… I have good news for them!
For a lot of people in America, a lot a lot, all those people whom I am talking about, there is no such choice.
They’re in food deserts, they’re overworked to death, they don’t have skills, they don’t have equipped kitchens, they don’t have time to cook, they don’t have energy to do it.
It’s a bootstraps problem. How can I work good job and can happily spend an evening cooking a nice meal, but half of Americans can’t? Well, obviously because they’re lazy and probably stupid. Not because of the enormous privilege I have, one so big I can’t even recognise the problems they’re facing.
No one is asking people to spend all evening cooking gourmet meals. Many, many, MANY food items, like a toasted tuna sandwich, grilled cheese, mac n cheese, frying up some eggs, whipping up pre mixed pancakes, etc… They all take less time than it takes to drive to a fast food place, order food, and either drive back, or sit and eat it.
But noooo, let’s choose to be a victim of our own circumstances instead of trying to improve things in the little ways we can control! You are so wise for rolling over and giving up.
I don’t feel like I’m getting through you, but I recommend you watch this video, https://youtu.be/V-a9VDIbZCU. It’s about very related problems, and the host explains the problem I’m describing in an entertaining way with visual examples.
Well, I don’t recognise a problem, it probably doesn’t exist then.
A toaster oven can do most things that a full-sized oven can do.
That really blows. Are you living in one of those chinese/japanese domiciles that are essentially just cages for people?
Sardine-culture aside, perhaps you can try an air fryer. I honestly have never used one, but it seems like something people would recommend as a replacement and they take up a fraction of the space.
Not really, at least couple of steps above, it’s 30 square meters overall. It’s nice for me, but the kitchen is too small to have such luxuries as an oven.
Can’t I grill food? Or cook it on the range? Why do I have to use my oven to make meals?
You can if you want to.
Using an oven is just easier and should appeal more to the kind of person that is used to eating out all the time because of how low-effort it is.
It’s broken.
What’s wrong with it?
I don’t know, I just sublet.
We use a toaster oven and a hot plate instead.