• TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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    I’ll hold my suspense until it’s not cost effective to support Israel. What does the Capital say?

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      I expect they will support Israel unconditionally. They are our only strong ally in the region, giving us strength to operate in the region. I imagine that strategic advantage is more important to the White House than either the Israelis or the Palestinians are.

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        strategic advantage is more important to the White House than either the Israelis or the Palestinians are

        This and always this, of every state, in every situation.

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        But of course, we may convince them to not invade Gaza, as that might just ignite this into something much more bloodier, so they’ll probably stick to bombings and call it good enough.

        For better or for worse.

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        Err, idk they seem more like an albatross. Most of the hate we get there is because we support that genocide. Id say having Israel as an ally is the reason we have the enemy’s we have there. Also how fucked up is it that 9/11 was primarily inspired by US support of Israel and they afaik, never assisted in any military shit there. All we get is “intelligence” from some chronic liars. Been trying to find concrete shit theyve done to help and cant find any.

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      Ryan Cooper, 2018: The fake resistance inside the Trump administration

      What a crock.

      If there were real organized resistance to Trump within the administration or the Republican Party more broadly, these people would be doing dramatically more than they are. If they really believe Trump is a danger to the nation and world — and he is — it should hardly be a mystery what to do about it.

      tl;dr:

      1. Get rid of Trump — before the 2020 election
      2. Quit and join the opposition
      3. Undermine him from the inside
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    Anybody know if there’s some sort of conscientious objector clause for the State Department?

    On one hand, anybody working for the DoS is acting in an official government capacity. That is to say it’s not about an individual’s thoughts or feelings - anybody in the job is supposed to be acting in the interests of the United States. It doesn’t really matter if you don’t like what you do. It might matter if you’re morally opposed to your tasking, but the solution to that is usually to bring it up and have somebody else to the work.

    On the other hand, the United States government, and DoS by extension, is supposed to work for the people. Here, the DoS should be taking a stance that works in the best interests of the country and its citizens. If popular opinion says that there’s a misalignment, then we need a way to fix the issues so that the organization can run in a manner consistent with the people chartering it. I’m not sure individual employees are the right people to take on this role, as there’s no consistent way to act across an organization like this.

    I’m not an expert here, but I can see reasonable arguments on both sides of this

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    Biden’s definitely lost my vote with this policy. I genuinely think that he was and is doing pretty well for a first term president after the cluster fuck that was Trump and felt like America was finally coming back to form both domestically and internationally, but his stance has really disillusioned me as a voter and a supporter.

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      You act like he was voted in out of popularity 😂

      He was voted in because the alternative was Donald Trump

      Welcome to first past the post!!!

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      I get why you feel that way. Politics is rarely black & white though, sometimes you have to pick the least worst option, so that someone doesn’t pick the worst option for you (FPTP systems)

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        Sometimes, but not when a government is fucking complicit in a genocide. No amount of moral tom foolery makes this ok.

        I’d rather not vote than vote for the least evil. They candidates can jump off a bridge for all I care especially when our tax money are paying for their salaries.

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          Again, I get where you’re coming from, but this is how America ended up with Trump. Many people were convinced to stay home and ‘not vote’ for Clinton. Biden, Starmer, whichever politician you want to smear as being ‘complicit in genocide’ is being quite vocal in calls for aid and a ceasefire. The reality doesn’t match with how you’re allowing people to paint it for you.

          Now more than ever, we all need to make a concerted effort not to be lead by our feels. Burned babies and tortured civvies are enraging. Cutting off water / supplies / energy is enraging. Tieing a group of children together and setting them on fire is enraging. Bombing Gaza is enraging. The hard-right Israeli government AND the Islamic fundies want us to be enraged because that’s when we make rash judgements and allow the situation to become further enflamed.

          Your voice is stronger from the inside than sitting with tape over your mouth in your house. Imo.