Hearings began this week on whether the 14th Amendment disqualifies Donald Trump from running for president in 2024 because of his actions around the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
On Monday morning in Denver, a historic five-day evidentiary hearing began for a lawsuit filed against Trump by six Republican and unaffiliated Colorado voters represented by the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).
A similar hearing is set for Thursday in Minneapolis.
CREW President Noah Bookbinder has said that his organization brought its suit in Colorado because “it is necessary to defend our republic both today and in the future.” The group’s complaint accuses Trump of inciting and aiding the mob at the Capitol two years ago, which he denies. He was impeached on similar charges but acquitted by Republicans in the Senate.
I think this is the courtroom, it’s under Judge Wallace. Anyone know if we can hear it or when it starts?
https://live.coloradojudicial.gov/?streamId=35b1db1b-2ccc-47e8-9f59-33cd656391f9
Edit: Sound just started.
Edit 2: wtf is the defense lawyer doing, trying to get his Etsy paintings sold? I want to support that guy now.
Edit 3: They’re on break and will be back, I didn’t catch how long the break is.
Edit 4: They’re back but it sounds like it will be short and then break for the day.
Edit 5: It is not short, it’s still going.
That’s a wrap, they’ll start at 8:00 tomorrow morning.
These updates were gripping
I know you’re being sarcastic, but it was for people who came into the thread to see if they wanted to click the link or not, there are no recordings. Basically, trump’s lawyers are unsurprisingly smug, want to block everything the people bringing the suit want, and the judge is being ultra fair. If you watched the impeachment trial or Jan. 6th commission, it was very similar to the police testimony there. Meaning, it was really, really bad for the police. Also, I didn’t know about this:
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
In case you did want to buy some of his art:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/winstonwatercolors
Those are quite the homoerotic cowboys.
Don’t you go judging Buck and Colt
I’m not judging. They look like fine young men. I just didn’t expect them.
So very fine…
Holy shit you’re not kidding, I love it.
Ram Ranch
Just wanted to say thanks for posting that link.
NP, it’s hard to believe it’s not an old timey TV show. You got the shitty defense lawyer and the noble policeman and a very dramatic testimony.
What county to select?
Denver Courtroom 209
Denver, the link should take you right there.
It doesn’t for me, I just get taken to the main page.
Sorry about that, I do remember putting in Denver county but didn’t realize it was necessary.
Sounds like they’ll have to prove ‘specific intent’.
Yeah, they kept referencing something that I haven’t heard before, intent of the law maybe? The people bringing the suit seem to be doing an amazing job. The judge kind of implied that already when she didn’t allow something in court. She said that they’ve already shown a bunch of testimony saying the same thing so I’m going to not let it in. The defense lawyer was all stupidly smug about it, he didn’t realize what she was saying. I’m not sure she’s ever seen a lot of that footage before too, she looked shocked.
I think this means, they’ll have to prove that Trump specifically intended to overturn the election. You may have noticed the manner in which Trump requests illegal things be done on his behalf. He uses language like “It would be great if… [insert illegal activity xyz].” This is what Michael Cohen is referring to when he says “Trump speaks like a mob boss” (this came up in the GA trial last week).
So the court is basically saying that the prosecution has to prove that Trumps intent was to overturn the election. IANAL, but that’s hard to do considering that we don’t know Trumps mind. This trial may depend substantively on the outcome of the GA trial. I’m not sure how much of a paper record has been left behind to prove intent, although from the outside, its very clear.
Does it have to be paper though? They had a lot of video of him telling them to not let pence do it and they have to fight. They also have witnesses that said they told him to tell the followers to stand down. I think that kind of evidence would be enough, but I’m not a lawyer either.