The amount of time the square area of a car occupies a given square area of road for the distance travelled and people carried is a fraction of that used by cyclists.
I’m all for this com making good arguments, I do truly believe change is needed with regards to many issues, social and environmental.
By the arguments that come up here do nothing but show this place to be a circle jerk for some truly gifted morons.
Serious question… Are you lot taking the piss or do you really believe the rubbish that gets pushed here?
Your metric is completely worthless. Why compare that? Cars and bikes spend upwards of 22h a day parked somewhere, taking up space while not moving. A city has limited steet space, cars simply do not make sense. Even in american car-centric cities you get large-scale traffic jams every morning. Does your calculation still hold in the real world?
Calling others morons and saying they believe in rubbish is rich coming from someone who evidently didn’t bother spending 3 minutes to think about what they actually wrote.
I’ll start with last point first.
Square area is what the OP image referenced (length X width of space taken).
So if it’s wrong for me to use it then it’s wrong for the op too.
Cars gotta be parked… People have garages and carparks exist. We seen to manage that fine.
And for for done people with disabilities cars are the only way.
I’m short on time so I’ll make this quick…
As much as you can drag up edge cases where cars are bad, I could do the same about bikes… But the difference between the morons here and I, is that I’m not trying hard to shit on one mode of transport over another.
It might surprise you but for the most part cars and bikes co exist fine.
Length * width is area, not “square area”. This is what I meant at the end of my comment. It’s just a nitpick.
The start of my comment refers to your strange metric of unit area per unit time for which you have no doubt still not run the numbers.
You complain about what you call “edge cases” (somehow 22h a day is an edge case) then immediately bring up people with disabilities. No one here wants to make disabled people’s lives harder. They may need cars and everyone still needs buses and trucks.
What we don’t need is your shitty SUV which drives you to work and back for a grand total of an hour a day. It’s a huge, wasteful, and inefficient wellness centre spanning several square metres and weighing multiple tons only to carry a single person. Due to their terrible inefficiency and choice of fuel they not only waste space but actively worsen the air for everyone around them.
As for parking, no, we do not manage fine. Have you ever been to a major city? Then you will know that parked cars line both sides of most streets, taking up valuable space for 22h a day in the middle of a dense city. It’s insane. Fortunately some cities are trending towards closing streets in the city centre to cars and making them available only to pedestrians and bikes. It’s beautiful and benefits everyone.
Cars are objectively the worse and more selfish option compared to many others in a densely populated city, yet you somehow insist they are equals because it would be wrong to shit on one over the other. But sure, we’re the morons :')
Whatever clown.
Area is area.
Not every car is an SUV like people here think.
I never said storage specifically was an edge case but go ahead an twist my words.
We’d be fucked without cars, plain and simple.
Don’t like cars?
Prove it campaign for a better alternative.
But no… You won’t do that because your too busy during in cars that people rarely have a choice to avoid.
Like… if everyone lived somewhere where there was a bus stop on every corner but decided not to use it then this com might have a fair case.
But that simply isn’t true.
The fact that everyone here hates is that cars are are awesome. They really are.
Give me a more awesome option than a car to get to work and get around and I’ll hand in my car tomorrow. And I mean it.
I fucking love public transport.
Nothing beats sitting on my ass with noise cancelling buds and having some quiet time while someone else drives the train.
Instead of making an ass out of yourself continuing together broken arguments and pointing to these giant mystical SUVs you reckon area a big deal (but in reality very few actually own) go campaign for a better alternative.
The amount of time the square area of a car occupies a given square area of road for the distance travelled and people carried is a fraction of that used by cyclists.
I’m all for this com making good arguments, I do truly believe change is needed with regards to many issues, social and environmental.
By the arguments that come up here do nothing but show this place to be a circle jerk for some truly gifted morons.
Serious question… Are you lot taking the piss or do you really believe the rubbish that gets pushed here?
Your metric is completely worthless. Why compare that? Cars and bikes spend upwards of 22h a day parked somewhere, taking up space while not moving. A city has limited steet space, cars simply do not make sense. Even in american car-centric cities you get large-scale traffic jams every morning. Does your calculation still hold in the real world?
Calling others morons and saying they believe in rubbish is rich coming from someone who evidently didn’t bother spending 3 minutes to think about what they actually wrote.
(“square area” is also not the correct unit)
I’ll start with last point first. Square area is what the OP image referenced (length X width of space taken).
So if it’s wrong for me to use it then it’s wrong for the op too.
Cars gotta be parked… People have garages and carparks exist. We seen to manage that fine.
And for for done people with disabilities cars are the only way.
I’m short on time so I’ll make this quick… As much as you can drag up edge cases where cars are bad, I could do the same about bikes… But the difference between the morons here and I, is that I’m not trying hard to shit on one mode of transport over another.
It might surprise you but for the most part cars and bikes co exist fine.
Length * width is area, not “square area”. This is what I meant at the end of my comment. It’s just a nitpick.
The start of my comment refers to your strange metric of unit area per unit time for which you have no doubt still not run the numbers.
You complain about what you call “edge cases” (somehow 22h a day is an edge case) then immediately bring up people with disabilities. No one here wants to make disabled people’s lives harder. They may need cars and everyone still needs buses and trucks.
What we don’t need is your shitty SUV which drives you to work and back for a grand total of an hour a day. It’s a huge, wasteful, and inefficient wellness centre spanning several square metres and weighing multiple tons only to carry a single person. Due to their terrible inefficiency and choice of fuel they not only waste space but actively worsen the air for everyone around them.
As for parking, no, we do not manage fine. Have you ever been to a major city? Then you will know that parked cars line both sides of most streets, taking up valuable space for 22h a day in the middle of a dense city. It’s insane. Fortunately some cities are trending towards closing streets in the city centre to cars and making them available only to pedestrians and bikes. It’s beautiful and benefits everyone.
Cars are objectively the worse and more selfish option compared to many others in a densely populated city, yet you somehow insist they are equals because it would be wrong to shit on one over the other. But sure, we’re the morons :')
Whatever clown. Area is area. Not every car is an SUV like people here think. I never said storage specifically was an edge case but go ahead an twist my words.
We’d be fucked without cars, plain and simple.
Don’t like cars? Prove it campaign for a better alternative. But no… You won’t do that because your too busy during in cars that people rarely have a choice to avoid.
Like… if everyone lived somewhere where there was a bus stop on every corner but decided not to use it then this com might have a fair case.
But that simply isn’t true.
The fact that everyone here hates is that cars are are awesome. They really are.
Give me a more awesome option than a car to get to work and get around and I’ll hand in my car tomorrow. And I mean it. I fucking love public transport. Nothing beats sitting on my ass with noise cancelling buds and having some quiet time while someone else drives the train.
Instead of making an ass out of yourself continuing together broken arguments and pointing to these giant mystical SUVs you reckon area a big deal (but in reality very few actually own) go campaign for a better alternative.