Elon Musk, the owner of X, criticized advertisers with expletives on Wednesday at The New York Times’s DealBook Summit.

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    What advertisers are doing isn’t capitalism it’s collusion to manipulate the market.

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        Obviously you don’t understand capitalism and your just going off what people who want communism and socialism are saying.

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            I’m not conflating the two I’m simply saying the people that have an issue or misunderstanding and capitalism usage fall in either camp.

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            Government regulations. Capitalism is a component of the government so it should take government action to enforce it.

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              Really? Because I’ve been repeatedly told by libertarian types (not socialists or communists) that any government regulation is not capitalism.

              You’re free to disagree with them, but then I’m going to ask what your definition of capitalism is that assumes this regulation (not just allowing it, but mandating it).

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                . Because I’ve been repeatedly told by libertarian types (not socialists or communists) that any government regulation is not capitalism

                Found your problem. That’s like asking flat earthers about gravity. They may think it exists but their concept of it is a fiction meant to align to their worldview.

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                  Musk himself tends to identify with libertarianism; we can still critique him from his own standards without accepting them outright.

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                    Well sure but that just makes him more wrong, not libertarians more credible.

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                No matter the system you need some level of regulation otherwise it’s just anarchy. What you want is a balanced regulation that not overbearing and keeps thing running smoothly.

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                  WTF regulation would exist to possibly prevent a corporate boycott of X ads anyway?

                  “We hereby mandate that you buy ads on Xitter!”

                  That’s your version of the one true capitalism? GTFOH

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                    There is already laws on the books for collusion, and if they have been founded to have colluded to manipulate a company, those law apply to them

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                  OK, but the libertarian types who generally worship Musk are not going to like you one bit for saying it.

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                    I don’t fall into teams and I’m not part of a cult I’m looking at the big picture.

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          I’m entirely pro-capitalism. Why should the free market not be allowed to act here?

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            In this context if they disagree so much they should just leave the platform and then it would fall under capitalism. What they want is to stay on the platform and dictate how it should be run and if they don’t get their way they make threats and ultimatums, which is a form of manipulation, I.e anti-capitalism.

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              It’s not manipulation to say “we’re leaving because you did this thing and won’t be back until you don’t do this thing.” This is simply the market forces articulating their preferences.

              If I stop buying a company’s products because I disagree with the direction it’s going, I am voting with my wallet, not manipulating the company.

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                Yes vote with your wallet and leave, but don’t bring up false information to try and get others to leave, don’t use subsidiary companies, you own to lie and badmouth, when you leaving didn’t change the companies stance.

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                  don’t bring up false information

                  Can you cite any examples of the above happening?

                  don’t use subsidiary companies, you own to lie and badmouth,

                  And explain what this means?

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                    Media Matters stated that ads were showing up beside questionable content, which was proven to be them gaming the system to get that to happen. Disney, Amazon, Paramount owns a large amount of media companies that are smearing the website.

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        I simply made a claim to why something is happening whether or not is true is yet to be proven but that doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility. These companies want a hand in how the company is run and if they’re not getting what they want them calling each other up to coordinate an ads pull is a tool in their toolbox.

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          Either bring facts, or state it as an opinion, don’t try to do both or you will get called out.

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            It’s to early to state facts so it’s a given that most things mentioned this early would be opinions.