A good example is https://lemmy.world/c/documentaries
One of their mods, https://lemmy.world/u/sabbah, currently mods 54 communites despite only being on Lemmy for about a month and has never posted on c/documentaries (except for his post asking for people to join his mod team).
The other mod, https://lemmy.world/u/AradFort, has one post to c/documentaries and moderates 18 communities.
Does Lemmy.World have a plan to remove this kind of cancer before we start getting reddit supermods here too?
Edit: This comment shows how this is even more dangerous than I had thought.
Edit2: Official answer from LW admin is here
Final: Was going to create an issue for this on the Lemmy github, but I browsed for awhile and found that it had already been done. If anyone wants to continue the discussion there, here it is - https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3452
Perhap we need another issue for the problem in the original edit (It being impossible currently to remove a ‘founding’ mod without destroying either the community of their account)
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Maybe they just wanted to create the spaces and hoped to pass it on to someone who was interested but for now have the space where people could find, hopefully
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Most of those subreddits follow the same theme/niche. Seems to be a pro-Palestinian user who probably tried to jump start Lemmy.world
Right. Someone will just go and make the same community on a difference instance.
I knew this would happen and that’s why I am FOR hardcoded community limits per user unless an admin, in individual cases, allows the user to open additional communities based on past handling of other communities the user has been (or was supposed to be) modding.
Letting a user create 54 communities, especially those that were some of the biggest communities on Reddit is dangerous. Powermodding is a serious problem on online platforms and letting individual users create unlimited communities leads to it. Imagine how much money this person might want to sell their Account(s) for when the platform grows further and interest might accrue?
It is humanely impossible to mod more than a handful of communities alone anyways. The users you mentioned are powermods.
As another good example against freedom of creating unlimited communities is user LMAO whom most of you will probably at least have heard of by now, or even found when searching for a community that has numbers in its name.
I will stand by this position.
Couldn’t someone make alt accounts?
Should we just keep the door open with an advertising sign or should we at least take the advertising sign away?
That’s not an argument not to introduce hardcoded limits, it is a problem for sure, but leaving them the opportunity without at least making it a bit of a hassle is just going to invite opportunity assholes.
Admin owners can see IPs, which will grab most of the abusers who do this.
There are other less direct techniques that major social media platforms use to identify users with multiple accounts even on separate IPs, which Lemmy will certainly need one day.
For now though, simply using IPs is good enough until those more sophisticated algorithms are developed.
They absolutely could. I don’t know if there’s a good technical solution to that. Maybe requiring IP registration or some other identity verification for mods over a certain number of communities.
Residential IPs change on a regular basis, you can’t do anything by IP.
They don’t change fast enough.
You can’t ban by IP, but you can sure tell what accounts are owned by the same person or coming from the same network.
It’s not perfect, but it’s another step that will catch many.
There are millions of people in the same network, lol. IP doesn’t tell you anything.
is this him on Reddit too? If so, he’s trying to claim his subs from Reddit, which I personally think is bullshit
39 subs, jfc
Is this a phenomenon where power mods from Reddit are making these fallout shelters to establish their status quo here in case Reddit really dies?
Hopefully power mods stay on reddit for as long as possible. I got banned from r/California for asking what an earthquake in Southern Mexico had to do with the state
Our stance on squatting made clear using !android@lemmy.world as an example https://lemmy.world/post/1661949
The solution to this is going to an Instance that works the way you prefer. Not creating extra rules for this one.
People will sort themselves into the kinds of places they prefer, as time goes on.
Having a rule against the mass creation of communities with malicious intent is not a big ask in my opinion. Or in the event of an abandoned community. This isn’t some kind of quirk of instance policy, but a thing that will happen on all instances and should be dealt with by all instances. Otherwise the instance will be seen as lacking administration.
I wish a user could only register 1 community/magazine. And to register more, at least some time should pass and maybe requires at least minimum of certain “Reputation Points” and follower. I don’t believe this is the best solution, but better than a wild west, and it would slow down the register spam.
Having a rule against the mass creation of communities with malicious intent is not a big ask in my opinion.
How would you define malicious intent and how would that apply to the situation OP is talking about?
Just making a community and doing nothing is malicious in my opinion. If you had no intention of engaging in the community you made that is malicious intent.
I’d also kind of argue that it would be desirable to encourage creating communities other than on one or two instances, that for load and reliability reasons, it’d be nice to leverage the federated nature of the network.
If someone is tying up “documentaries” on every lemmy and kbin instance, okay, fine, that’s a legit concern. But if they have it on one and it’s not very active and a would-be moderator thinks that they can make a more-appealing community, then why not just go make a better community on another instance?
I mean, it’s creating a fight over a resource that (a) isn’t scarce in the first place and (b) would probably be better-spread out anyway.
Yep.
Like c/politics on here is run by a couple of kids who won’t remove misinformation or hate speech because that would be mostly “conservative” opinions and if everyone was held to the same standards, that’s somehow a bias against them.
It sucks, but there’s a bunch of other instances with better ones.
People might see that one first, but it’s not like reddit where theyre the only c/politics.
I think that there are a few legit issues for mods who don’t want to spread out, but I think that those are problems that either are going to have to be fixed at a technical level on the Threadiverse anyway or where we want to push people to spread out anyway:
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If you put work into creating a community, you don’t want it to be on an instance that vanishes. Legit concern. Lemmy.world is the biggest lemmy instance right now, so “safety in numbers” – if everyone else is there, then hopefully it is going to stay up. But (a) every other would-be mod is in the same camp too, and the only way to address that is to have people start spreading out, (b) having some mechanism for post-instance-failure community portability to another instance might be interesting, but we don’t currently have it, and © right now I think that people look at user count and maybe community count to figure out where they should go, and so it’d be nice to have people spreading out.
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The way lemmy and kbin presently work, communities are only visible to users on other federated instances in searches that aren’t specifically for community@instance if they have at least one subscriber on that other instance. However, they’re visible to all local users regardless of whether there are subscribers. Setting up shop on an instance with a lot of users thus helps visibility. I think that this is legitimately a technical problem right now with both lemmy and kbin that will have to be addressed. Maybe messages don’t need to go to other instances, but at least communities should – not a lot of traffic there. Or maybe high-vote/high-traffic threads should have a chance of going to other instances. Or maybe some entirely-new mechanism to help improve discoverability of new communities should be introduced – I don’t think that either the lemmy or kbin developers are adverse to new things being implemented to improve community discoverability, but I suspect that they’ve had other things that they’re busy with. Maybe in the meantime, someone will make an external website that tries to help users find interesting communities. This isn’t fixed now, but I suspect that it’s going to have to be. In the meantime, there’s presently a straightforward way to mitigate this if you’re a mod – create a user account on the most-populated lemmy and kbin instances and subscribe to your community there. You can also post to newcommunities@lemmy.world, and my guess is that someone may create another community or communities for trying to promote or do reviews of or whatever existing communities. Community discoverability needs work, but everyone’s in the same boat right now.
There are actually already a few sites to help people find new communities but probably the best one is lemmyverse.net/communities.
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I’ve been trying to get an active mod to take over on the lemmy.world battlestations community, but despite my efforts posting in the lemmy.world support community which the admins have suggested doing for this exact issue there has been no change. https://lemmy.world/u/mandlar
In general I find it pointless for there to exist a million empty communities even when the creators have good intentions. Most of them are sub communities of a broader category which only serves to unnecessarily split a community while there is barely traffic in the broader topic. You shouldn’t make a more specific topiced community unless the subject you want to discuss is getting burried in overwhelming traffic of the broader community.
Mandler has not been active in a month. If you want any of the communities make a post there, tag me and I will add you as a moderator.
Hey, I guess the admins removed u/sabbah from top mod of c/worldnews because they permabanned people for disagreeing with their personal opinions…
Figured you might want to know the new mods added them back already because they think sabbah is good at “conflict resolution”
Lol is he legit running an alt with chatGPT?
Christ.
But there’s people out there who want to be “top mod” and do zero work. It’s like opening a lemonade stand but the only employee is a CEO that works from home.
They think since a community on reddit existed with that name, all they have to do is make a Lemmy community with the same name.
One of the worst things about Reddit was that you could make a subreddit for anything but peeling away any amount of users from the “main” sub was next to impossible and forget about new user traffic without having the “default” name. Therefore the mods of that sub become the defacto admins of that topic on reddit until they piss off enough people to really get an alternative moving. Many different subreddits were actively fucked up by bad moderation but users kept dog piling in because it had the basic name you would think to search for, i.e. “television” or “videos” or “movies” or what have you. That name is real estate on reddit because no one else can have it, and that keeps horrible mods entrenched.
I think we should encourage several hubs and stop worrying about “splitting” communities. We have the benefit here of letting different communities grow under the same name to avoid that situation where a shitty mod team gets unchallenged ownership. No one else could make a /r/sandiego, so they never shook that real estate free from its horrible mod. Here? That’s not an issue.
For example, one of Lemmy.world’s biggest communities was locked by the head mod and forced to a different instance to join with another community. Without input from the lemmy.world users. It’s still sitting there in the communities list, locked, but high up on subscribers. Meanwhile the instance it was moved to is moderated much more strictly. Admins over there heavily “curate”; remove any post they don’t think are worthy enough to be posted.
I think that community should be unlocked and a new moderator should be allowed to take over, so there’s a different version of that community on a different instance, then people can have a choice between what type of moderation they want to exist under.
Edit: !android@lemmy.world
Edit2: Reworded this mess for clarity
Generic communities as I call them. They shouldn’t be allowed.
Bro we just got this space where no corporate overlords are dictating what we do. Can you not ask for corporate overlords to dictate what we do wtf is wrong with you?
You can report them on https://lemmy.world/c/support
Doesn’t resolve the issue if no admins are active there.
They have been DDoSed twice in the last few days, I guess they are working on that as a top priority
Oddly I found today that the lemmy.world IP had ended up on a ‘bad IPs’ list amd was blocked off at my edge. Not sure how the inteligence picked that up unless someone manually submitted them just the lulz.
Specifically they ended up here: https://cinsarmy.com/list/ci-badguys.txt
Non-authoritative answer: Name: lemmy.world Address: 135.181.143.230
Get with the community admin and discuss if you are interested in it.
In most cases they are not going to respond either because they are inactive or they are intentionally squatting the names for whatever reason. They can’t respond or they don’t want to.
In this specific case the call for mod is public, open and with 0 comments of anyone asking to help: https://lemmy.world/post/1036821
The call to join ‘their’ team. Also, why did they create a community they had no interest in modding / participating in to begin with?
Well, at this very moment, it’s their team. They put an icon, a sidebar, a few users are posting.
I don’t see what’s your issue here. Why not join them if you want to mod that community? I’m sure they would be happy to have you onboard
I feel like you, and several others, are entirely missing the point.
Its not that I want the community so much as I am concerned about the squatting aspect at large.
The issue was explained in the first post, what do you not understand?
Should do what Reddit did and make a takeover request subreddit. Admins would step in on subs that are clearly abandoned or squatted on and relinquish control to users who requested it. Nothing is lost anyways, since the subreddits were dead to begin with. Same can apply to the Lemmy instances.
But there are options?
- Tag me in a community you think is abandoned.
- Post in !support@lemmy.world or !moderators@lemmy.world
- send an email to info@mastodon.world
We might not always react as fast as you like but this isn’t our job it’s a hobby project and sometimes there are other, more important issues that have to be handled first. But we will get to it! Cheers
I think you guys have done a pretty kickass job. And your team’s responsiveness with the big issues has been enough to impress my cynical ass. Appreciate you guys.
Appreciated… Gonads 😅
Like, ok, but what’s stopping you from posting in those comms? You don’t need to be a mod for that.
I’ve made a few comms, some took off, some didn’t…
Why would something be stopping them from posting?
I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking what the deal is. I mean I get that someone hoarding subs is uncool, but it’s not stopping the sub from functioning (unless it’s locked).
Good admins and moderation are the cornerstones of any community. Always have been, always will be.
