I had an account on lemmy.one and now the instance has been down for a day or two so I made this new account. I also heard other small instances are dead or disappeared.
So which ones do you think will actually stick around for a long time?
ALSO, does anyone know how to get my subscriptions from lemmy.one and import it here? TIA!
Don’t think this is a strange phenomenon or that it’s permanent. I’ve seen Mastodon (and Pleroma and Misskey etc) instances get born and die regularly. This is because it’s easy to set up an instance but it’s also easy to fall in an economic problem or just give up.
Not everyone is ready to set up their own instance; it requires dedication and resources.
The fediverse really needs some kind of universal login and a way to easily migrate accounts between instances.
Not so much migrate as be able to use it from anywhere and have it replicated. Same with communities.
Give things a unique ID, and access it from anywhere, even if the original server goes away.
This kind of thing may not be possible with current ActivityPub protocols, but there’s always room for improvement.
The universal login is a very old suggestion but it’srealluy hard to pull off because that would have to be build into the core of the protocol. About the migration, that’s a Lemmy issue, not a general Fediverse one
Not really; login mechanisms are a separate thing. OAuth already exists. You only need Fediverse software to accept OAuth from anywhere and to provide it to others.
The migration part is IMO harder, but not necessarily by much. I don’t know of any fediverse software that’d allow it though.
What I mean with “universal login” is one account for multiple Fediverse services, I guess that wasn’t clear from my post. Yea, proper migration is hard and questionable if we should even allow it (could cause all kinds of issues, espwcially regarding account security) but Mastodon allows you to move your followers and add a redirect which is the most important part of the account and Lemmy should probably try to do something similar with ranks and communities.
Instances with
more than one admin
clear policies and active moderation
engaged user base
regular backups
no porn…will stand a better chance than most.
No porn? Why?
.ca allows porn. You actually have to click “show NSFW” during sign up if you want to see it, so it’s not on by default, and it’s very easy to turn on/off if you want it.
I find that the instances that ban porn also ban a lot of other stuff that isn’t bad. Feels like I’m in church and everything is being censored.
Surely keeping the csam out means someone on every nsfw instance needs to look at a whooole lotta porn, including sick stuff they really really don’t want to see. For no pay. I can’t see a way for that to last long so either an instance bans porn or stops moderating and gets defederated.
NSFW and Porn are not the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_safe_for_work
The marked content may contain graphic violence, pornography, profanity, nudity, slurs or other potentially disturbing subject matter.
Square rectangle sort of thing, no?
All porn is NSFW. But not all NSFW stuff is porn.
Yeah, it’s a terrible term that needs to be done away with.
Exactly my point. Thank you.
I guess instances run by SDF. They’ve been around since 1987 when they started with BBS. And since 1991 they are running the public access UNIX system. They also have Mastodon servers, Minecraft server and other stuff. These are their Lemmy instances:
lemmy.sdf.org - somewhere in US
lemmy.sdfeu.org - Falkenstein, Vogtland, Germany
lemmy.sdfjp.org - Tokyo, Japan
lemmy.sdfcn.org - Hong Kong
lemmy.sdfin.org - Mumbai, IndiaThe ones with the most porn
I wonder how donations for nsfw instances are going
Not to sound too pessimistic, but we live in a time where we see Twitter collapsing, despite being one of those “too big to fail” websites. My bet is that none will stand the test of time, the web is ephemeral (and archive.org is an underappreciated wonder of the world). I would rather say that what you really need is a backup routine.
On one hand, a Sonic hacking forum I’ve been a part of since before its current forum software has been running the same database since 2003, on the other hand I fully acknowledge that it’s the exception and not the rule.
I plan to keep running this instance for a long time. As long as there are weebs here on Lemmy, I will give them a home lol
Btw, I also had a lemmy.one account. It was my first Lemmy account too. Hope they get back up and running.
Out of the loop, what happened to Lemmy.one?
I have hosted a lot of my own services for a couple of years and plan to continue hosting my instance(endlesstalk.org) indefinitely, unless something very major happens.
As others have mentioned I think multiple admins and backups(hard to verify though) are a good sign, but its only indications and you can’t really be sure, if a instance will be there forever. I think there needs to be an easy way to migrate accounts and then the instances going down hopefully gives a notice, so you can move your account.
Gonna be difficult to recover accounts from instance going down without a notice I think. You could regularly take a backup of your account, but that is tedious and you will still lose some data.
Can you upload your comment history to a new instance? Does that question even make sense? I’m not sure what backing up means, I guess. Just an archive?
There are tools that can backup and migrate communities, blocks and settings like lasim for a user. So you can migrate between instances.
As far as I know, there aren’t any tools that can migrate comment history and I think anything that could do that, would need to be backed into lemmy itself(Which it isn’t currently).
I kinda hope transferring data between two accounts on two different instances is easy. I don’t really want a fresh start for the 13th time (this happened years ago outside of the fediverse, mostly thanks to forgetting my password).
No one really knows but I’d imagine the bigger ones the you see now like world ml kbin and others would stick around.
how to get my subscriptions from lemmy.one and import it here?
Unfortunately there is no way to do that yet, but I remembered that there is an unofficial tool that let you transfer your subscriptions like you said
Edit: There isand open issue that might talking about it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1985
Seems like this would be a great feature for the myriad of Lemmy mobile apps… nightly backups of your Lemmy account settings and a button to recreate it on a new instance
https://github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate
Just used this the other day, worked like a charm (albeit a bit slow if I’m honest)
How do I install this on Windows? I don’t know how to code. 😭
If you don’t have an experience using the command line then it’s a tad more involved then I can explain in-depth on mobile. Best I can do is give a brief outline.
To start with, wescode/lemmy_migrate is a python 3 script. If you are running windows install WSL (Ubuntu), once you have a command line I am familiar with you will want to download the repository from GitHub to a directory.
You will then need to create a config file called
migrate.confUse the sample provided in the repo under configuration. Edit it to use your information. You can use nano as a text editor.Then it looks like the command would be something like:
python lemmy_migrate -c ./migrate.confSorry if that is crap help, but I’m not near my computer right now, and don’t often use Windows anymore to boot.
PS:
WSL is a program from Microsoft that gives you a mostly functional Linux command line within Windows. None of this is as complicated as it sounds, I’m using more words then strictly necessary to explain things somewhat at beginner level. The most time consuming part of this would be first installing WSL and then installing Ubuntu onto WSL. There are plenty of tutorials on how to do so.
Hopefully someone more familiar with Windows can tell you how to do the same thing from either the DOS prompt or from Windows PowerShell. It’s doable, (almost anything is) I’m just not familiar enough with either to walk you through it.
It’s confusing for me 😅 but I will try.
Here’s a thread where I helped someone else with the process on windows: https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/1420339
The steps are:
- Set up the python code
- Go to https://github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate/releases/tag/v1.1.0
- Download the zip file
- Extract the zip file, to make a folder somewhere on your system called lemmy_migrate-1.1.0. Remember where this folder is
- Inside the folder you will find a file called
config.ini. Use notepad to edit the file to have your server URL and login credentials.
- Set up the python interpreter
- Install python from https://www.python.org/downloads/
- Open powershell
- install the python package requests by pasting the following command into powershell:
py -m pip install --user requests
- Use the python interpreter to interpret your python
- first make sure powershell is looking at the correct folder. One way to do this is to open the lemmy_migrate-1.1.0 folder in windows explorer. right click on the box that shows you the path, and copy the text. then write
cdin powershell. This path will very likely be something likeC:\\Users\Wu9fee\Downloads\lemmy_migrate-1.1.0. If you don’t want to copy and paste the path from explorer, you can just docd Downloadsthencd lemmy_migrate-1.1.0 - Finaly, you can run the python command with
py lemmy-migrate.py -c config.ini
- first make sure powershell is looking at the correct folder. One way to do this is to open the lemmy_migrate-1.1.0 folder in windows explorer. right click on the box that shows you the path, and copy the text. then write
Let me know if you run into any problems.
If you can pull this off, you can officially say you know how to code.
Thanks for the tutorial! I might try but it looks hard. 🤔
Not too hard. Just alot of unfamiliar vocabulary. 😄 If you run into any questions with either of our walk throughs, (my linux one or @lemming934@lemmy.sdf.org 's Powershell one), feel free to DM me. Don’t mind helping folks starting their exploration of computers. We all started somewhere.
- Set up the python code
Lenny.ca, hopefully. 🤞
I don’t want to figure everything out again.
Me too. 🥹
I’d like to say lemmy.world, but a lot of communities you’d think would be quite active are actually not so.
That’s the thing about the fediverse, you need to be the change you want to see. Post a lot and contribute.
I will try and post something new every day to help keep new content flowing in. Can’t expect everyone else to just keep us entertained. :)
I’m running my own instance, JUST so I can be in control of my own Lemmy experience (and in control of my own archive of my Lemmy activity). I’m not going anywhere anytime soon.
Yes, my instance was down for three days last week. I had trouble with an update and didn’t have time to troubleshoot it. But I wanted my Lemmy so I DID get around to it and got it working again. And yeah… I never did get email working properly so when my ONE friend who’s not me joined my instance I had to command line into the database and approve him manually. But so what?
And yeah, eventually the internet ecosystem may shift again, or I might get hit by a bus or who knows?
But if you WANT to join a tiny instance that’s 99.999% (bus factor) not going anywhere for a while, I’d probably let you join mine.
How many GB is your filesystem/database as a single-user instance?
8.5 gigs currently.
Not the person you ask, but as I’m in the same boat (finally got everything running except email lol), I use a scrap dell PC with a 8gen hexacore, 512GB SSD, 4TB HD & 8GB RAM on a 1Gb/~700Mb line 🤷 I’m aiming at an artsy/comics drawings server (hence some initial space) and I think I’ll open it up for inscriptions when I have figured out the OVH mail config…
But it’s a big step, today if it crams it’s just impacting me.
Cheers!
I don’t host my own instance but that sounds immensly overpowered for the job! Lemmy doesn’t even host images and pure text, a database and web interface shouldn’t be that hard to host
Yeah I know, I’ll probably use it for other things too :-)
I have pictrs alongside Lemmy though, so I can share images in Lemmy.
Awesome, self-hosting for the win! :)
