• be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    Even if they’d been right - it’s not a justification for taking away peoples’ right to choose. I’ve made many decisions in my life that I regretted afterward, some irrevocable. (And at least one that I’m certain has a far greater than average regret rate) That’s NOT basis for making it illegal for me to make those decisions, and it’s for sure not justification for making it illegal for others to make those decisions.

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      10 months ago

      Not to mention the last statistic on regret rates I saw showed that a lower percentage of people regretted transition surgery than regretted things like hip or knee replacement. But of course to them literally anyone who regrets transition is cause to ban it.

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        Globally, a staggering 310 million major surgeries are performed each year; around 40 to 50 million in USA and 20 million in Europe. It is estimated that 1–4% of these patients will die, up to 15% will have serious postoperative morbidity, and 5–15% will be readmitted within 30 days. Source.

        Yeah, when you look at the statistics for all surgeries and see that up to 4% of patients will die, and up to 15% will have serious complications, all of a sudden the regret rate seems pretty average.

        I can’t recall where I read this, but I’ve also heard that a big part of it is regret when the surgeon does a bad job too. I think it was mainly top surgery, and surgeons that were trained to do mastectomies for cancer patients, who leave a bunch of loose skin bc that’s desirable when the patient wants breast augmentation. Which obviously isn’t what a trans person would want. Or just not removing all of the breast tissue, more severe scarring than average, etc. I bet these are the people conservatives quote about feeling “disfigured”.

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          I hear so many horror stories from trans masc people in particular who are just not fucking listened to by surgeons. With traumatic consequences, frequently. It makes me furious - every time it’s a similar story, they explain that they want no breasts and the doctor goes “well that would look odd, I’ll give you a c cup”… Bruh no.

          I don’t think it’s so bad for transfemmes, because “top surgery” in that case is the same (I mean, I assume) as a breast augmentation for a cis woman.

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            10 months ago

            I don’t think it’s so bad for transfemmes, because “top surgery” in that case is the same (I mean, I assume) as a breast augmentation for a cis woman.

            Bottom surgery is traditionally oriented around male pleasure at the expense of what trans women actually want. The same thing happens to us, and it happens to our genitals

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        10 months ago

        Actual people regretting it is irrelevant and inconsequential. Remember how, for many years, the same people kept trying (and failing) to find any significant voter fraud? Then they decided to just ignore that detail and tell people it was happening anyway?

        The exact same thing applies here.

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      10 months ago

      You’re missing the point. They regret when people choose gender-affirming surgery. That’s the real issue. I know it’s not the argument they’re saying out loud, but it’s the real issue.

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      I’m not trans, but I wholeheartedly agree with you. As living beings we deserve autonomy, which includes the right to make choices that we may later regret. It isn’t up to anyone else but the individual to decide what’s right for them. It’s no-one else’s business (especially the government)