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    did u happen to forget that religion has exists as it does today and in even more oppressive forms for thousands before capitalism came around? the idea that capitalism is making something that has been bad long before capitalism even exists bad is straight up a historical.

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        yeah and in plenty of those societies religion WAS the hierarchy. how could we ever even eliminated class society while also preserving organizations and ideologies to which hierarchy is inherent.

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          In “The Principles of Communism” Engles writes:

          What will be its attitude to existing religions?

          All religions so far have been the expression of historical stages of development of individual peoples or groups of peoples. But communism is the stage of historical development which makes all existing religions superfluous and brings about their disappearance.

          The mirrors my perspective above in that if we focus on class struggle in order to bring about communism, religion will take a new form in either shifting to focus on simply the “spirituality” aspect or disappear entirely.

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            1 year ago

            using that quote to defend religion is like defending the state by quoting the “Paris Commune” if that supports any view its mine.

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              My intention is not to “defend religion” as you say. I’m simply stating that I think attacking religion is counter productive or at the very least, will not accomplish anything. I have no love for religion myself, but it’s important to remember that many of our comrades do. Hakim is a good example and a much more developed Marxist than myself and many others on this platform.