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Welcome to Ask Burggit, wanted to get it off the ground and make an initial post, and I was kind of curious to see what people would answer.
How did you hear about Burggit?
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Just to echo stuff already said here.
I checked out Lemmy a few months after the big reddit refugee wave. Saw some posts about defederation drama. Decided to take a look at the list of banned instances (Love that feature!). Opened a few and immediately knew most weren’t for me, but I’ve never shied away from digging around forums full of awful people or psychos. The “We are not who you think we are!” in the pinned thread caught my eye. Read the post and was pleasantly surprised at everything I saw. Decided to stick around for a bit, been enjoying it so far!
So my other main online homes are Baraag (and Pixiv)…
… And in my feed, there was a discussion from Satori about how best to manage the increasing needs for storage/server load amid ever-continuing sign-ups to the instance. And in that discussion, both Burgitt and shota.nu were namedropped.
So now I’m here. Always excited to have new spaces to share art, with so many other places declining (not Baraag, though. I mean like, Twitter, Reddit, etc)…
Saw a comment saying ban buggit.moe because eww loli. Instantly hit the signup button.
Best form of advertisement we could ever hope for.
I searched for “loli” on https://join-lemmy.org/instances and found your instance.
Honestly the same. Most other instances don’t have a description or anything to stand out in that list. This instance has a fun name and a description stating what it is. I prefer a smaller instance with loose moderation over a bigger instance with strict moderation. Loli is also a huge bonus!
Saw it blocked on beehaw and wondered why since I didn’t see any bigotted shit
Jesus that list ballooned fast. Was only like 6 instances (mostly the tankies/nazis) just last week lol.
Yeah, I’m going to be leaving as well though. I’m not a fan of the pedo shit.
You do you mah dude, definitely not for everyone.
I saw that this was one of the first communities to be defederated by beehaw.org, so I clicked on it expecting some nazi shithole or something and was surprised to find it was a perfectly normal looking community. Additionally, as someone who loves Touhou music, I was excited to see some touhou related subreddits like Cirno were here so I joined. While I personally don’t enjoy nsfw art all that much (other than for the memes) and I dislike lolicon content, I treat the acceptance of all types of art as a good benchmark for whether a community truly cares about free speech and am very glad to see that it is not forbidden.
Most of my use of reddit was on FOSS and linux related subreddits so I’ll probably still have to join another instance since a lot of them are currently getting bigger on lemmy.ml/beehaw, but i’m glad to be here too for the anime/doujin/nsfw stuff and I hope to see it grow. It will be amazing if this can grow while respecting free speech but also not turn into an extremist-filled site like Voat did.
That leads me to ask, why do so many instances defederate this community in particular? For instance, lemmy.one as of now lists this as the only blocked community! Why??!! I’m guessing maybe people see that it’s loli friendly and assume it’s a place full of actual pedos without actually looking at the content of the site to see that it’s not.
I really hope that other instances will begin to accept this community. But there will probably be some major shifts in the lemmy world over the next few weeks due to the lemmy.ml shenanigans so who knows what will happen.
We do not aim to be another Voat/Kiwifarms/Gab, to learn more about that, check out this post here: https://burggit.moe/post/5280 We will definitely step in if needed to prevent things going in that direction.
As for why people block us. Lemmy.ml is heavy communist instance, you can not say anything even semi-negative about China, North Korea, or other communist countries over there without an immediate ban. So, we were bound to be defederated from them.
Other instances probably saw we are loli friendly and immediately assumed the worst. A large swath of people think that loli and IRL CSAM/CSEM are essentially the same thing and do the exact same damage, which is, frankly, retarded. << That could be another reason why other instances block us, we have no interest in moderating slurs/offending language so long as people are not directly harassing individuals or groups of individuals directly. This could explain Beehaw’s defederating us, since they are very much as “safe space” instance. Users can’t even make their own communities on there without the higher ups facilitating it.
Hopefully this answers your questions. We’re happy to have you here, and we hope to see you along for the ride as we continue to grow! Enjoy the ride.
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You’re my husband and you told me about it, so I joined to help you and your friend.
Pretty much the sentiment from over here: I started looking through all the other popular instances and saw weird-looking Codes of Conduct, and kept going down until I found an instance whose Code of Conduct actually made sense to me. This would be the one.
I don’t personally have a lot of the specific interests in the headline (NSFW and all that), but having a core identity around the concept of “there’s no such thing as a banned idea, just don’t harass people” is big to me.
People keep praising federation and decentralization and yadda yadda yadda without noticing the elephant in the room: The owner of an instance can block other instances, therefore denying its users from contents solely because they choose to do so.
This is extremely problematic for me because an instance is not only a community by itself, but also supposed to be a window into the Fediverse for its users. For those who came from Reddit, can you imagine using a reddit third party client only to find out they don’t allow you to view certain subreddits for whatever reason?
Huge respect to Burggit for having the ball to run a truly “safe and diverse” space for the Fediverse dwellers.
You’re welcome. I fully expect them to pull a Tusky for their Jerboa app if we show up more on their radar. What a crock of shit, the Tusky app hardcodes a blacklist of Pleroma and Mastodon instances so that the end user can’t connect to them. Hence the need for the Husky fork.
Honestly, it’s why I’m trying to jumpstart more diverse but “safe” communities. If it’s nothing but lolis and cubs, the target is clear, but with decent discussion based communities, it becomes a bit more difficult and there’s an argument to be made that they’re not just blocking one type of content, they’re blocking entirely unrelated communities because they don’t like part of what they’re hosting. That bolsters the free speech argument even more when speech they like is inherently intertwined with speech they don’t like.
I want this place to thrive. It doesn’t need to be the biggest, and inevitably zero tolerance types will block it regardless, but I want the decision to censor it to be painful for as many people as possible.
While I think more general purpose communities would be awesome, we honestly should not care what these people think of us. They’ve already got the narrative in their heads that we’re a skinhead nazi instance when that’s far from the case. It does not matter how much we try to prove to them we aren’t one. The guys on r/RedditAlternatives painted me as a right winger, then a fascist, then settled on libertarian.
They did the thing that average redditors do and dug through my profile and found one little meme of me making fun of the WEF and painted me as a horrible person based on that. It was quite funny to watch them short circuit and try to pidgeonhole me into an ideology, though. I personally hate both political parties with a passion and think libertarians are the vegetarians of politics who refuse to shut the hell up. So they got it all completely wrong.
I am also 100% in favor of general communities, and I fully support your goal and reasoning for it. However, I do have my suspicions as to if it will work or not. A lot of the lemmy instances out there, at least the ones I have seen currently, are exceptionally restrictive as far as their content is concerned. A lot of people won’t look very deep, and will make decisions entirely based on very small bits of information. I think even now, if people bothered to look deeper, they’d see we’re more than just a “right-winger” instance. I don’t know if much if any political stuff has really been posted here at all. And as far as loli is concerned, they can’t see any of the NSFW posts/communities unless they log in or look deeper. So bans on that are entirely based on assumptions and the bit of text that is in the sidebar.
It really does entirely depend on how open others are to take a look at what’s actually on the instance, as opposed to just what they think is on the instance.
Sorry if this is a bit disjointed. It’s very late/early here, so probably not the most cohesive post i’ve made sofar.
My reasons for picking this as my home aren’t because it’s loli friendly, but also because it is. I’m tired of people getting mad about others opinions and thoughts. I don’t particularly like certain content advertised as welcome here, but that’s the point. I’ll never call for a ban on people having their own places to share their thoughts. I don’t have to like what you say to defend your right to say it, and this instance seems to share this stance. Standing up for unpopular speech is how I found this place. People need to chill and let others exist to share their ideas, good and bad, so people can make up their own damn minds on who they are or aren’t.
Don’t be a dick goes so many ways, including the stripping away of voices from those that others may not like. So here I am. Happy to be here.
Agreed 100% it should not be the job of a corporation, platform or otherwise to decide what you can/cannot see. To decide what you can’/cannot say. To decide who you can/cannot be or who you can/cannot associate with. People should be allowed to think for themselves, make their own decisions about what and who they want to associate with and participate in.
Very glad you found us and we’re happy to have you here. Hope you enjoy your stay!
Exactly. If I dislike something or someone, there’s this magical little button I can push to make it disappear from my screen. I don’t need someone else to push that button for me, so thank you thank you thank you for maintaining sanity in an insane world.
I searched for loli/shota communities on lemmynsfw.com to see if they existed there, because didn’t specify if they allow that type of content, and I was curious if they did. I noticed the only two communities that popped up in the search both led here. I clicked apprehensively, because the type of places that allow loli/shota can be a real mixed bag lol.
I was very pleasantly surprised to immediately see the pinned post “Welcome to Burggit! We’re not what you think we are!”. Good sign! Then I saw y’all are explicitly trying not to be like Voat or Kiwifarms, and that’s an even better sign!
I don’t even like lolisho content. It’s just an important ethical issue to me that fictional content that hurts no one should not be treated the same as actual CSAM. And that people who like said content shouldn’t immediately be assumed to be pedophiles. And that pedophiles not be immediately assumed to be abusers/molesters/evil monsters. It’s an issue I’ve accidentally become passionate about. I’m likely to meet people with this same mindset here. So I joined!
Burggit also got a genuine chuckle out of me when I read the DMCA policy on the sidebar. The bluntness is hilarious.
I have to admit I hate the logo for this instance tho lmaoI’m glad the pinned post relaxed your worries! Looks like it’s doing its job! Happy to have you aboard!~ I’m also glad you like the sidebar DMCA thing, I wrote that, and I was… a little sassy with it, I’ll admit, but it amused me, so I kept it. xD
We also have the same mindset when it comes to loli/shota/cub as well as pedophiles not automatically being abusers/evil people. I too have accidentally become passionate about this topic. Kinda nice meeting someone else who is similar.
