Ukraine’s digital minister has reported concerns about the country’s overreliance on Elon Musk’s Starlink satellite internet system amid the war with Russia, The New York Times reports.

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    1 year ago

    They’re right to be concerned. There is simply no reason whatsoever to trust Elon Musk. He is an unhinged right wing extremist agitator.

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      Similar to Tesla, his bullshit has the potential to cost lives. Only now on a much greater scale. Gdi.

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      I read that as unhinged right wing extremist alligator, and was wondering what you know that we do not lol

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    They should be concerned. He has the mentality of a 5 year old and could just decide to cut off their infrastructure on a whim.

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        Reusability has nothing to do with it. Hardly any of the rockets have been reusable (in terms of saving significant money on launches). It’s just that spacex is dumping enormous amounts of satellites in LEO. It’s going to become a huge problem when other companies/countries does the same.

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          Its only possible bc a launch is cheap enough for them to do it. Cost of of placing them in orbit is the whole reason there is a problem.

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            Yes, but that’s not because of reusability. They’re not at that stage yet (willl they ever?)

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                Yet the cost doesn’t go down. Spacex boss defined reuse as that the stage can be reused the next day with just an inspection. The reuse they avtually so is rebuilding it with the older parts. At least last time I checked the cost savings were just a few 10 % while they promised 90+

                Edit: did some more checking, and it appears third party(military and government) pay significantly higher launch costs ~100mill vs 60mill list price), so might be they’re subsidising the starlink cost by funneling money from the state.

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                  Cost didn’t go down because there’s no competition. They’re just pocketing the extra money. Why would a private company charge even less for something they’re already the cheapest and best at? Why not make extra money?

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                  Wow, I wonder why SpaceX which has a monopoly on reusable rockets are charging as much as they can from their customers.

                  Lol, lmao even

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          ULA I believe said reuse would be profitable for them after 12 launches. For SpaceX, it’s likely lower since they’re built more from the ground up for reusability. But they’re up to reflying 20 times, so it’ll be even more profitable for them.

          Also, starlink latches have been on older boosters, pushing the max reuses. So they benefit much more from reusability than the average falcon 9 customer.

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    All monopolies are bad but I do not see a way for other private companies to break into this industry to compete with spacex. I also don’t think I want them too, we’ve too many satellites just waiting for china or russia to fuck something up as it is. Can’t wait for kessler syndrome to permanently lock us onto an overheating planet.

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    I’m not saying this is happening, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if we found out that Musk was leaking any and all traffic from Starlink, including Ukraine military comms, in the name of “”“free speech”“”.

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      That not really possible though. In the same way your isp can’t see what YouTube video you’re watching, encryption stops musk from seeing what the military sends to each other. Unless of course the Ukrainian military doesn’t to the whole security thing, which is doubtful.

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        DNS can be used to leak some information, but DNS over HTTPS is maturing, and hopefully Ukraine is using something like PGP or the signal protocol.

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      I hate musk as much as every self respecting person, but this isn’t possible. These systems are designed to run over the Internet, and thus heavily encrypted.

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        Ah, well, “designed to run over the internet”. Okay then. I guess no ISP has ever been able to MitM intercept traffic.

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    Nationalize that shit. Imminent domain Starlink and pay Musk its value. Let him sue if he thinks it’s not enough. It’s not about the money, but having that important tech in the hands of a bureaucracy that will delay political maneuvers and temper tantrums alike from hindering the Ukrainian military.