I’m gonna be honest, 99% of what I need to do, I do through Discover. Like, why would I bother typing a command out when the update button is right there.
I think Flatpaks are the future for general user installed apps. It’s way more secure and user friendly for non tech people. I’ve even had some flatpaks run significantly better, like Brave, despite conventional wisdom saying otherwise for a browser.
this sane comment seems so hard for many Linix users to understand. I use LMDE, i want to click the icon on my toolbar and have zero interest in the OS itself
CachyOS now doesn’t even ship with Discover and if you install it there’s a banner warning you not to use it to update base packages as it can mess stuff up.
CachyOS now ships with and recommends Shelly, and just from trying to use it I get the feeling it’s fundamentally flawed (both in the front-end and back-end), but I don’t know enough about package management to know for certain.
Basically, I tried to install openrgb-next-git from AUR using Shelly. The operation failed but was reported as successful. And the Shelly dev I was chatting with didn’t really seem to acknowledge the severity of the issue. After many more attempts, I eventually gave up on Shelly installed the package using paru. I don’t remember if there was any problem during that installation, but it did get installed in the end, which is more than I can say for Shelly.
This exchange was 2 months ago, so it’s possible that things have improved since then, but that’s not enough time for me to give Shelly another chance yet.
What I’m about to say is pure speculation, and I have no concrete evidence, just my gut: I think Shelly, or at least its GUI, is vibe-coded. Too many things about it are half-baked but with the appearance of polish. Windows and dialogs that look pretty but are too small for their contents. No way a human developer would push that if it was tested even once.
A Shelly developer explained to me that it’s not a wrapper for pacman or any other tool, instead they re-implement the functionality provided by pacman using a lower-level library. To this I say: Shelly has not earned my trust in their code to manage packages on my main PC. When it’s more mature, when it has more eyes on it, and when it doesn’t give me the half-baked vibe, I’ll happily give it another chance.
Discover is ok… If you limit it to only managing Flatpaks.
I’m not sure I’d ever trust a GUI to manage pacman/apt/dnf
I’m gonna be honest, 99% of what I need to do, I do through Discover. Like, why would I bother typing a command out when the update button is right there.
My discover casually uses 1gb of ram when i open it and after closing it stays at 500mb until i sigterm it
Synaptic is decent, but it doesn’t exactly feel like an “App Store”.
I think Flatpaks are the future for general user installed apps. It’s way more secure and user friendly for non tech people. I’ve even had some flatpaks run significantly better, like Brave, despite conventional wisdom saying otherwise for a browser.
this sane comment seems so hard for many Linix users to understand. I use LMDE, i want to click the icon on my toolbar and have zero interest in the OS itself
CachyOS now doesn’t even ship with Discover and if you install it there’s a banner warning you not to use it to update base packages as it can mess stuff up.
CachyOS now ships with and recommends Shelly, and just from trying to use it I get the feeling it’s fundamentally flawed (both in the front-end and back-end), but I don’t know enough about package management to know for certain.
Oh wild. I still just hit Cachy Update, because I don’t like Octopi, but I should try that out.
Tho I was considering giving NixOS a try
I was wondering about Shelly when I was reading the release notes for Cachy. What do you feel is flawed?
If you’re in the CachyOS Discord and have a lot of patience, this is where I dumped all of my complaints and feedback on the day that I really tried to use it: https://discord.com/channels/862292009423470592/1500254688380063934
Keep in mind I was pretty new to Cachy/Arch and coming from Linux Mint, make of that what you will.
More specifically, this is what raised the alarm for me: https://discord.com/channels/862292009423470592/1500254688380063934/1500507281840668852 and following messages.
Basically, I tried to install
openrgb-next-gitfrom AUR using Shelly. The operation failed but was reported as successful. And the Shelly dev I was chatting with didn’t really seem to acknowledge the severity of the issue. After many more attempts, I eventually gave up on Shelly installed the package using paru. I don’t remember if there was any problem during that installation, but it did get installed in the end, which is more than I can say for Shelly.This exchange was 2 months ago, so it’s possible that things have improved since then, but that’s not enough time for me to give Shelly another chance yet.
What I’m about to say is pure speculation, and I have no concrete evidence, just my gut: I think Shelly, or at least its GUI, is vibe-coded. Too many things about it are half-baked but with the appearance of polish. Windows and dialogs that look pretty but are too small for their contents. No way a human developer would push that if it was tested even once.
A Shelly developer explained to me that it’s not a wrapper for pacman or any other tool, instead they re-implement the functionality provided by pacman using a lower-level library. To this I say: Shelly has not earned my trust in their code to manage packages on my main PC. When it’s more mature, when it has more eyes on it, and when it doesn’t give me the half-baked vibe, I’ll happily give it another chance.
updates, sure. let discover or gnome software do 'em.
my debian won’t break the system.
to install, though? i’d rather see exactly what’s going on. i don’t always want to bring in every tom, dick and recommend. i use aptitude.