I’m not stating an opinion about what should happen. I’m stating the undeniable fact that states don’t surrender territory easily. As we are in fact seeing. The point is that saying Ukraine should surrender is just as pointless as saying Russia should immediately withdraw from all occupied territory. Neither is going to happen.

In practical terms I oppose my own country dumping weapons into Ukraine, because that’s an absolute cluster fuck waiting to happen, and it’s the only thing I even remotely have any influence over.

The material conditions of young men getting slaughtered by the thousands? Snark aside, feel free to bring up another topic for discussion, but you’ll have to be a bit more specific.