• lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    But you shouldn’t be so pedantic as to not understand the meaning behind what people say

    Oh, I understand the meaning of holocaust and regarding “meaning”, I understand that people want to take the situation in Gaza and describe it as bad as possible… And then, they find the word “holocaust” and use it…

    The problem: Most words have definitions. And if Lula says “it’s like the Holocaust”, he should expect that historians or maybe only random internet users look up the world “holocaust” and tell him that there are some huge differences. And that’s pretty much what I’m doing here.

    Two states is getting less and less viable, the settlers have made sure of that. Maybe a one-state solution in the image of Belgium: Strong cultural and political independence but, very crucially, one army.

    Let me make it even simpler. We are talking about N-state-solutions (N is some number) here. With Hamas (you know, those, who state that their main goal is to destroy Israel) in power, there is no chance for a permanent solution at all. I just hope that 1) Hamas loses power, followed by 2) Netanyahu losing power. This makes actual solutions possible.

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      8 months ago

      And if Lula says “it’s like the Holocaust”, he should expect that historians or maybe only random internet users look up the world “holocaust” and tell him that there are some huge differences.

      You can find huge differences between any two events if you look closely enough. How different things have to be to be “like” is not a constant and the man is Brazilian, not German.

      I just hope that 1) Hamas loses power, followed by 2) Netanyahu losing power. This makes actual solutions possible.

      I mean yes but at the very least you also need Israel to actually crack down on extremists, that Otzma Yehudit wasn’t immediate outlawed as a successor to the Kach party is not tenable, they really need to start treating Lebensraum rhetoric as essentially treason. Same goes for “they may live here but this is a Jewish state that means they don’t have the same rights” apartheid rhetoric from radical Settlers.

      The extreme right don’t have that broad of a basis in each camp but, well, there’s a reason I called Netanyahu Benjamin von Papen. Hamas’ rule in Gaza has always been straight-up dictatorial. Media perception is also a huge issue: Many Palestinians don’t know the extent of what Hamas did because al Jazeera doesn’t want to show it and the IDF frankly speaking is known to lie without blushing, and the Israeli press is self-censoring, it’s always “our guys and gals on the front”, never, “here’s the civilians they just slaughtered”. Journalists know, journalists also know that noone wants to see it and people would just switch channels, now even less than before the 7th. In that light, let me make a Holocaust comparison as to what will be necessary for things to get better, excuse the poetic license: Israelis being forced at gun-point to look at Gaza’s ruins, “this is what you did by looking away”.