Gretchen Whitmer responds to calls by some Democrats to vote āuncommittedā in Michiganās primary on Tuesday
Gretchen Whitmer, the Michigan governor, pushed back on calls to not vote for Joe Biden over his handling of the Israel-Gaza conflict, saying on Sunday that could help Trump get re-elected.
āItās important not to lose sight of the fact that any vote thatās not cast for Joe Biden supports a second Trump term,ā she said on Sunday during an interview on CNNās State of the Union. āA second Trump term would be devastating. Not just on fundamental rights, not just on our democracy here at home, but also when it comes to foreign policy. This was a man who promoted a Muslim ban.ā
Whitmer, who is a co-chair of Bidenās 2024 campaign, also said she wasnāt sure what to expect when it came to the protest vote.
Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat who is the only Palestinian-American serving in Congress, urged Democrats last week to vote āuncommittedā in Michiganās 27 February primary.
And yet again, a concern troll boiling down both candidates to āgenocide guyā.
I canāt see these kinds of comments as anything other than āboth sides are the sameā in an attempt to get people to not vote.
Let me ask a simple question: Will you vote for Biden in the next election, or do you choose to support Trump through not voting, or worse voting for him?
If theyāre not the same on the topic of genocide, who do I vote for to stop genocide?
Your whole post, and that of most of the idiots pushing this āYou have to vote for Bidenā line of bullshit always seem to make the same mistake.
I donāt give a shit how people vote, and Iām not going to try and influence anyone elseās vote. Iām not a Russian bot, and I donāt get money from the CCP.
Put simply, Iām an individual that wonāt vote for genocide. Itās a red line. When I say that there are lots of others out there like me, Iām not trying to influence anything. Iām stating a very simple truth.
There a lots, probably enough to cost an election, of people that wonāt cross that red line.
Itās especially true in Michigan where a requisite part of the coalition that is required for a Democratic win is of an ethnicity/religion that heavily identifies with the population being genocided.
When you read people stating this, stop thinking of it as some foreign operation trying to shape opinion, and recognize it for what it is. The simple truth, that people who donāt want Trump to be president, are trying to get the DNC to recognize.
Joe Biden loses. As a consequence of his own actions.
You can hate that fact. You can rail against the people who have genocide as a red line, and call them all sorts of things like purists, or idiots or whatever.
In the end, itās just you blaming others for the consequences of one mans Hubris that they arenāt responsible for.
If you donāt want Trump to win, youād better start pushing for a better Democratic candidate, rather than trying to justify genocide.
Yeah, all Iām hearing when I read this is āI wonāt vote for either candidate, and Iām going to pretend that doesnāt help Trump.ā
Biden won Michigan by 11k votes.
Biden chose to give the next election to Trump so he could help Israel commit genocide.
Itās quite clear you have no idea what youāre talking about.
How do you think Biden wins Michigan?
Can you explain to me how this isnāt a crazy conspiracy theory being pushed by a
foreign operativenut job?There is no single ānut jobā pushing anything. It is simply being aware of current demographic trends in Michigan, and knowing that Biden won Michigan by only 11k votes.
I donāt need to listen to someone else to decide what my opinions are. Iām capable of looking at objective data, and drawing conclusions for myself. Lots of Michigan state DNC members, including the one that screamed the loudest that Clinton was going to lose are raising the same warnings about this election.
God, youāre so brain rotted by living in a bubble and blaming a foreign power for everything you literally are incapable of analyzing data yourself, if it leads to a conclusion you donāt like.
That is a really really bad place to be.
No, Biden did not win the Michigan primary by 11k. Do you know how numbers work? Your image even shows the numbers. Where do you see 11k?
He won with ~623k votes, which represented just over 81% of the total votes. Contrast that to 2020, in which he won with just over 840k votes, or just shy of 53%.
I am shockedā¦ that youāve managed to double down on your ignorance, when youāre literally providing the contrary information in your initial comment.
As for the rest of your comment, I think itās quite obvious youāre incapable of coming to correct conclusions. If youāre doing basic math and coming out with incorrect answers? God help you.
Then blame the person responsible, or feel good about supporting genocide, and child murder.
Youāre making a choice either way. Your vote, or lack thereof, directly helps choose the next president.
The reason the trolly problem exists is to show that morality isnāt some easily answered question. But it applies perfectly here.
Any choice you make results in support for Israel. Literally any choice, including āno choiceā which is still a choice. So you have to ask yourself, if all roads lead to that specific thing still happening, should you not vote to protect the things that are still possible? Or should you throw LGBTQ+ individuals, drag queens, reproductive rights, and more under the bus?
consequentialist views of ethics literally say ends justify means.
the right thing is not to support genocide. there are two candidates who wonāt: Jill Stein and cornel West
And when you canāt vote for them in the general election without writing them in, and throwing away your vote?
How very intersectional of you.
You also missed the entire point of my post. Yelling āvote harderā at the people who are disgusted with genocide who engage in political discussions online wonāt be more than a drop in the bucket in comparison to the people who arenāt terminally online and are disgusted by genocide so they donāt vote.
Your guy Biden is throwing the election to Trump, and youāre blaming everyone but him.
Good job.
Youāre also setting the stage for blaming leftists for his failure, thus ensuring the further right wing drift of the DNC.
Good job.
Iām also 43, every single election Iāve heard the same exact argument from the DNC. Every. Single. Election.
And nothing changes.
You know the definition of insanity? Thatās the DNC.
Both candidates are establismentarian ASF and represent the oligarchs FAR more than any everyday American. I am not a āconcern trollā Iām a leftist with concerns and Iāll be voting third party, (most likely green) as a matter of principle. Iāve done this my entire adult life- you arenāt changing my mind in a million years. I legitimately think heās too old, too right-wing, and too corrupt. Dude should just be running as a Republican tbqh.
Youāre working against your own interests. Reminds me of the fake āwalk awayā movement that the right was trying to invent/push last cycle.
No, the democrats are doing exactly that by sticking with Biden- instead of a combative, progressive anti-trump agenda we get Trumpās agenda either way. He has been AWFUL on the border and not much better on climate change. His VP is a transphobic cop. He curbstomped Bernie sanderās movement through friends in high places and ruined our chance at a decent healthcare system all the while constantly appealing to the right. Let me hate the guy ffs
If you canāt tell the difference between Biden and Trumpās agendas you arenāt looking very hard.
You can hate who you want, but I believe your emotions are misplaced. Biden was elected to be center-left, to provide stability, to defeat Trump. One has to cast a wide net of appeal to be elected. Sorry you didnāt get everything you want, but thatās better than getting the opposite of what you want.