Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sunday that āmillions will be killedā in his countryās war with Russia without additional funding from the United States.
CNNās Kaitlan Collins asked Zelensky in an interview to respond to comments made by Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), who claimed Ukraineās outcome in its war will not be changed even if it receives the President Bidenās $60 billion aid request. Zelensky said he wasnāt sure if Vance āunderstands what is going on here.ā
āTo understand it is to come to the front line to see whatās going on, to speak with the people, then to go to civilians to understand ā¦ what will [happen to] them without this support. And he will understand that millions ā¦ will be killed. Itās a fact,ā Zelensky said.
Damn, that sucks. Not sure why itās our problem though. Millions of Russians will be killed if we do give them aid. Ukraine should learn to solve their own problems.
Watch this clown decry genocide one comment prior. Spineless agitprop.
Genocide is awful. If Russia were doing that in Ukraine, Iād be all for a war over it. This is a war over a couple ports Russia wants. Completely irrelevant to america, and not our problem.
Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine, assuming we are using the rather expansive definition that people are now using for the Israel-Hamas conflict.
The US should definitely support Ukraine, but Europe could do a hell of a lot more to ramp up war production. All the talk is about US aid, but the Europeans are being massive pussies. They brag about sending more food and medical aid, but Russia wonāt be intimidated by that. Europe needs to convert to a war economy, massively ramp up war production, and supply Ukraine with unlimited military equipment. This is a war whose outcome will be determined by industrial production, which means Russia will certainly win if Europe doesnāt get its collective ass in gear. The US should take the opportunity to ramp up military production as well, but the Europeans are a lot closer to the action and have much more at stake. The Europeans should agree to take the lead on Ukraine while the US gears up for competition with China.
No, they are not. Israel is though. These things have definitions for a reason. If Europe and Russia want to have a war, they can go right ahead. America needs to stay out of it though. Fuck their wars. I would happily dodge a draft, as would most people I know. America needs to learn to make money by building things, instead of by blowing them up. No war with Russia, no war with China, ever. If Congress wants a war, it better be drafting every single child of a congressman first. Otherwise Americans are not going to show up.
Russia abducted and deported thousands of children. That alone meets the criteria agreed upon in the UN for genocide.
The lowkey pro-Russian takes you have are as transparent as they are full of logical inconsistencies.
Iām not sure where you are getting the idea that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is somehow less genocidal than what Israel is doing. At least Israel has the excuse that they were attacked by Hamas, and that Hamasās ultimate goal is the extermination of Israel. Ukraine did nothing to Russia and has no thought of eliminating Russia as a country. Ukraineās only ācrimeā was being friendly with the West, which also has no intention of eliminating Russia, except in Putinās paranoid fantasies.
Do you think Hamas started the violence? Because, no thatās not remotely close to true.
Nope. And the āwho started itā conversation doesnāt go anywhere useful.
Itās important as context for understanding why one is a genocide and the other isnāt
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LMAO, because I donāt want America to get in a war with Russia that is not remotely relevant to us? Yāall are brainwashed as fuck if you think Russia is the only evil country in the world.
Oh it is our problem, if Russia takes and keeps Ukrain that tells the whole world expansionism is back on the table. If you think war cant find its way to your doorstep, your wrong
Damn, good thing America has all 10 of the worlds largest militaries then. Very much not concerned with that.
War on your doorstep as an american doesnt look like enemy soldiers in the street. More like you wake up one day with no power, no tap water, no phone service, no internet, no way to get news or ask for help. Eventually a cop car rolls down the street loudspeaker blaring shelter in place orders, national guard will bring food and water later yadda yadda and all because we are extremely complacent towards security of utilities in the cyber space
Sounds fun right?
That just sounds like typical late stage capitalism, lol. But I have nothing against defense spending. America has very little defense spending though. The thing we call ādefenseā is very obviously 90% offense. America should spend our money helping our own people, not screwing around in wars half way around the world.
How did you come to the calculation of millions of Russians?
Why would it be millions of one side but not the other?
Because the millions for Ukraine accounts for civilian casualties, not purely military. For anything similar Ukraine would have to counter invade Russia and launch artillery at residential areas.
Even if we assume the worst of Ukraineās intent, they wouldnāt have the capability to go beyond securing their borders.
Do you think civilians would die if Ukraine surrendered? Based on what evidence?
Youāre moving goalposts here. You said millions of Russians would die if Ukraine was given aid and I asked how you determined that number. By the same token, Russia should simply surrender.
Why would millions of Russians be killed if Russia left Ukraine and went back home? Its Putin, not Ukraine. Slava Ukrainia!
The weapons we give Ukraine are going to be used to kill millions of Russians
Only if millions of Russians invade Ukraine, which so far, is not happening.
There is an easy way for Russia to prevent those deaths (even though your numbers are hyperbolic): Pulling out of Ukraine, to the 2014 borders. Easy peasy, no more dead russians.
Maybe Russia shouldnāt invade other countries if they donāt want their people to die
Ironically exactly the opposite was upvoted in regards to hamas. That just because a government did something bad, the people donāt need to be punished- which I agree with.
Still not seeing why America is supposed to give a crap about a war on the other side of the globe. We are still responsible for the deaths of millions if we give Ukraine all the weapons they desire.
Aid wouldnāt be needed if the ruzzians withdraw from Ukraine.
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A destabilized EU, and thatās a guarantee there, would economically impact the entire world in ways that U.S.A exceptionalists can not ever seem to grasp.
Lol, just be quiet troll. Itās easy looking at your post history that you have an agenda that is aligned with the opposition of America.
A degraded russian military is good for pretty much everyone.
And by the way you talk you probably donāt give a shit about socialised healthcare. Itās just a stick you can use to hit people with.
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Not an American.
You have some pretty dumb ideas about foreign policy.
The fact that you used healthcare as an example is a conservative dogwhistle, and a rather ineffective one at that.
Isolationism is something your country cannot go back to. That idea was rightly killed over a century ago, as if it was ever actually fully realised.
I thought your country at least paid lip service to freedom and democracy worldwide, how is letting Russia invade and annex another country good for you?
Itās not hard to tell that you arenāt someone who actually understands the topic, or is acting in good faith here.
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Well, Ukraine formally asked for aid at the beginning of Russiaās āspecial military operationā. Sooooooā¦
The US hasnāt sold a single thing to Ukraine, but has been donating their old stock.
How is helping Ukraine not a good thing? Doesnāt that increase security by having another friendly nation on your side?
Your arguments are rather weak. Seriously, how does allowing Russia have its way benefit anyone but Russia?
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Read up:
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/
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Because they arenāt going to stop. See when they took Crimea in 2014, now itās a full invasion.
You donāt try to appease fascists.
Because itās not a āsmallā portion they WANT. Thatās whatās known as a ābeachheadā. Putin and the rest of the Duma have signaled that they want UKRAINE, in its totality, and preferably would not like those people with their ideas of āindependence from Russiaā in their heads - hence Putin actually saying the only victory he would accept is the destruction of Ukrainian identity as a concept (war against a concept doesnāt end well - see āwar on terror/war on drugsā.) This is also ignoring the fact that Russia ALREADY tried the āstorm in, kill the head of state, annex the countryā bit with Georgia back in 2008, and got their shit kicked in by the Georgian military. Expansionist powers like Russia donāt just stop with whatever country theyāre currently invading - thereās always another āover thereā to go conquer.
If you want more evidence on this, I highly recommend you read up on a little thing called Imperial Japan, or potentially just Manifest Destiny. Thereās never such a thing as āenoughā for a state hellbent on expanding at all costs into territory they think is rightfully ātheirsā.
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Donāt you know that everyone who disagrees with you is a bot? Most numbskull argument Iāve ever heard.
So a bot, thanks.
Iām pretty obviously not a bot, this is next level cope.
No, bots have better scripts. Youāre just a troll with bad material.
Bad bot
Ukraine is the worldās ābread basketā they produce a ton of the world supply of wheat and barley.
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Hey, I want your car. You should give me your car so I donāt have to forcefully take it from you. Ok? Great, let me know where to pick up it. Donāt like that idea? Why not?
Sure thing, just bring several million men to my house.
This is some appeasement shit.
You said we need the grain there. We will still be able to get the grain thatās there. Howās that appeasement?
How is it not? Allowing Russia to invade and take over another country is some 18th century shit, and tells them they can do this with impunity.
So, you push isolationist, defeatist and appeasement propaganda and you wonder why people call you a bot and a troll.
Let the UN stop them then. America canāt afford to be the world police.
Do your thoughts echo in your head?
America isnāt being the World Police, not in this instance. Weāre enabling the Ukrainians to defend themselves, but otherwise are not active participants.
Neither is the UN, BTW. This is a war Ukraine has to fight and win on their own.
They are solving their own problems by fighting back. Unfortunately that requires missiles that fucking cost money.
So they arenāt solving them then? Why do we have to pay for their missiles? We canāt afford to fight their war for them.
You think Russia is gonna stop at invading Ukraine if someone doesnāt put a dent in them?
Yes. Why would anyone think otherwise based on logic?
ā¦you do know they used to have an extensive empire and want it back
What do you think happens once Russia conquers Ukraine?
What happens is the other 90% of Ukraine will be fine, and Crimea will be Russian.
Brutal take.
Enjoy your vodka.