https://archive.li/Z0m5m [https://archive.li/Z0m5m] > The Russian commander of
the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that
Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along
current frontlines. > Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday
on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were
devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in
the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area. > “Can we bring down Ukraine
militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of
the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday. > “When I talk to
myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward,
like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path.
And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.
why the people of the donbas didn’t appeal to the UN to establish independence
They did. No country outside of South Ossetia, itself an unrecognized country, recognized their independence. Sadly not even Cuba did when specifically asked. Yes that means Russia also didn’t. Despite significant internal pressure to do that (most significantly, by the communist party), Putin and Russian government hoped for peaceful resolution by the Minsk agreements. This turned out to be mistake since both west and Ukraine never intended to honor those agreements but used them to arm up Ukraine. Between 2014 and 2022 international situation changed significantly though, Ukraine buildup for the all out invasion of Donbas finally forced Russian govt to decide, either join the war or just watch as Donbas is massacred (and potentially risk political instablity in crucial time since it would be incredibly unpopular move which could easily lead to lose nationalist support for govt).
I can’t see why Russia committed mass murder on civilian population.
They didn’t. Civilian losses are very low in that war, UN estimated it for around 10000 dead (for both sides). Compare it to when US Shock and Awe any country and kill milllions. Russia is incredibly restrained as far as the modern warfare goes.
Expected? By whom? Liberals seems to expect millions because they as usual projected the US army standard. I said America not because some kind of dreaded whataboutism or deflections, i used that example because as foremost warmonger on the planet they do set up the standard of contemporary warfare, which is to bomb everything, drone weddings, burn cities with white phosphorus, poison the earth and people with defoliants and depleted uranium, drop millions of bombs that kill people even decades later… yet no one else except their puppets seem to even want to get close to that standard. And look, they are sending the same shit to Ukraine.
Why are you say anything about justification now? I was rebuking your argument that Russians committed mass murder in Ukraine, which they didn’t and you agreed saying the numbers were expected, but you suddenly moved into some kind of moral argument for some reason.
Now i don’t agree with the expectations, because you still didn’t said who expected it and from reading of nearly all liberal articles about those numbers they not only expect much more but are even making them up contrary to the apparently most trustworthy assessments.
Nakba is comparable in terms of numbers of victims and lenght of war but the military forces were much lower than the ones in Ukraine and intensity of the war was also much lower - just compare the ratio of military to civilian losses.
They did. No country outside of South Ossetia, itself an unrecognized country, recognized their independence. Sadly not even Cuba did when specifically asked. Yes that means Russia also didn’t. Despite significant internal pressure to do that (most significantly, by the communist party), Putin and Russian government hoped for peaceful resolution by the Minsk agreements. This turned out to be mistake since both west and Ukraine never intended to honor those agreements but used them to arm up Ukraine. Between 2014 and 2022 international situation changed significantly though, Ukraine buildup for the all out invasion of Donbas finally forced Russian govt to decide, either join the war or just watch as Donbas is massacred (and potentially risk political instablity in crucial time since it would be incredibly unpopular move which could easily lead to lose nationalist support for govt).
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They didn’t. Civilian losses are very low in that war, UN estimated it for around 10000 dead (for both sides). Compare it to when US Shock and Awe any country and kill milllions. Russia is incredibly restrained as far as the modern warfare goes.
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Expected? By whom? Liberals seems to expect millions because they as usual projected the US army standard. I said America not because some kind of dreaded whataboutism or deflections, i used that example because as foremost warmonger on the planet they do set up the standard of contemporary warfare, which is to bomb everything, drone weddings, burn cities with white phosphorus, poison the earth and people with defoliants and depleted uranium, drop millions of bombs that kill people even decades later… yet no one else except their puppets seem to even want to get close to that standard. And look, they are sending the same shit to Ukraine.
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Why are you say anything about justification now? I was rebuking your argument that Russians committed mass murder in Ukraine, which they didn’t and you agreed saying the numbers were expected, but you suddenly moved into some kind of moral argument for some reason.
Now i don’t agree with the expectations, because you still didn’t said who expected it and from reading of nearly all liberal articles about those numbers they not only expect much more but are even making them up contrary to the apparently most trustworthy assessments.
Nakba is comparable in terms of numbers of victims and lenght of war but the military forces were much lower than the ones in Ukraine and intensity of the war was also much lower - just compare the ratio of military to civilian losses.
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Fair enough, i guess my argument was emotional because i’m drowning in the absolutely inane prowar propaganda in polish and enlish media every day.