Reading the comments in that thread is like stepping into a bizarro universe. I wonder what the turning point will be when these people have to start reconciling the fantasy world they built up with the real one. This was hands down my fav comment from the thread
I think that’s likely gonna be the narrative libs smoothly pivot towards ignoring everything they said for two years. Also, never mind that literally all of NATO is propping Ukraine up. It’s just a small country resisting a much larger country all on its own. When Ukraine is finally destroyed that’s actually a huge win.
I don’t know understand what they call winning a war. War is politics by other means. 2 countries or more have soldiers fight to kill each other till one side concedes to the other. If one settles and concedes to the terms of the other country, that is defeat.
That’s the reality, but western libs have become incredibly invested in the war emotionally over the past two years and internalized the idea that Ukraine is winning the war while Russia is falling apart. Having to admit that they were wrong is not a thread they want to pull on because that raises a lot of uncomfortable questions such as the fact that western media is heavily propagandized and that they themselves are gullible.
Well, they keep trying to imagine that Russia is deploying it’s full military force against Ukraine, denying that it’s a limited SMO. They use the deployment of aging equipment as evidence that Russia is using everything they have and running out instead of as evidence that Russia is still able to meet it’s objectives with a limited use of its worst equipment.
Absolutely, the whole narrative is built on the idea that Russia is falling apart and can barely keep things together. People internalized it over the past two years, and just regurgitate these tropes now. What’s striking to me is how fluidly they’re able to abandon narratives that have run their course without any reflection.
First, Russian economy was supposed to collapse within weeks. Then Russia was supposed to run out of shell, missiles, and manpower so the military conflict was going to be over quickly. Obviously none of these things actually happened, yet nobody asked why all these projections were wrong and what the implications of that are.
We still see libs dismiss any articles admitting the reality as Russian propaganda, even when these articles come from rabidly pro Ukrainian mainstream media in the west.
The sheer capacity people have for denying reality is really incredible.
Exactly, they imagined that Russia worked more or less the way the west does which led to a monumental miscalculation in policy. This war will be taught in history books as the catalyst for the collapse of the burger empire.
The same way the US benefits from getting rid of old equipment, which y’all chucklefucks been celebrating as grand strategy. But more importantly, it’s because they don’t need to deploy nor reveal their main forces. It keeps their enemies intelligence unreliable and it keeps their forces ready for further conflict from the bloodthirsty deranged barbarians in the US.
Reading the comments in that thread is like stepping into a bizarro universe. I wonder what the turning point will be when these people have to start reconciling the fantasy world they built up with the real one. This was hands down my fav comment from the thread
Pppffff in what world is resisting an invasion by a much larger country with a larger military for over a year, a defeat? Even if Ukraine settles, they won this war.
I think that’s likely gonna be the narrative libs smoothly pivot towards ignoring everything they said for two years. Also, never mind that literally all of NATO is propping Ukraine up. It’s just a small country resisting a much larger country all on its own. When Ukraine is finally destroyed that’s actually a huge win.
Remember they say they won Vietnam because they killed more people than they lost.
Yeah, that’s basically the same kind of logic there.
We lost, but actually we won (in our minds). 🤡
This is literally the manifestation of idealism.
This reminds me of when top Kiev officials announced that Crimea has already been liberated “in our hearts”.
I guess the job is basically done then eh? Time to declare victory. Mission accomplished boys!
Lol at the one lurker lib yet again obsessively downvoting every single comment here.
they follow me around like lost puppies on lemmy.ml 🤣
I don’t know understand what they call winning a war. War is politics by other means. 2 countries or more have soldiers fight to kill each other till one side concedes to the other. If one settles and concedes to the terms of the other country, that is defeat.
That’s the reality, but western libs have become incredibly invested in the war emotionally over the past two years and internalized the idea that Ukraine is winning the war while Russia is falling apart. Having to admit that they were wrong is not a thread they want to pull on because that raises a lot of uncomfortable questions such as the fact that western media is heavily propagandized and that they themselves are gullible.
Well, they keep trying to imagine that Russia is deploying it’s full military force against Ukraine, denying that it’s a limited SMO. They use the deployment of aging equipment as evidence that Russia is using everything they have and running out instead of as evidence that Russia is still able to meet it’s objectives with a limited use of its worst equipment.
Absolutely, the whole narrative is built on the idea that Russia is falling apart and can barely keep things together. People internalized it over the past two years, and just regurgitate these tropes now. What’s striking to me is how fluidly they’re able to abandon narratives that have run their course without any reflection.
First, Russian economy was supposed to collapse within weeks. Then Russia was supposed to run out of shell, missiles, and manpower so the military conflict was going to be over quickly. Obviously none of these things actually happened, yet nobody asked why all these projections were wrong and what the implications of that are.
We still see libs dismiss any articles admitting the reality as Russian propaganda, even when these articles come from rabidly pro Ukrainian mainstream media in the west.
The sheer capacity people have for denying reality is really incredible.
They think some harm to Russian economy = collapse of Russian economy just because the US and EU economies are so fragile it would mean that
Exactly, they imagined that Russia worked more or less the way the west does which led to a monumental miscalculation in policy. This war will be taught in history books as the catalyst for the collapse of the burger empire.
how does russia benefit from deliberately using inferior equipment and not going all out? they don’t want a long, protracted conflict.
The same way the US benefits from getting rid of old equipment, which y’all chucklefucks been celebrating as grand strategy. But more importantly, it’s because they don’t need to deploy nor reveal their main forces. It keeps their enemies intelligence unreliable and it keeps their forces ready for further conflict from the bloodthirsty deranged barbarians in the US.