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tinymoves
to be honest it would make me a lot more comfortable if you guys would show a little concern about trump running for president again. Do not inbox me and say you donāt like joe biden omg i already know. but can we show a little concern. about donald trump. being the republican candidate for president. for the third election in a row.
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Also maybe you can focus a little more on how Trump wonāt stop fucking running and a little less on the incumbent president running for reelection once, which is the natural path that is not at all weird. Like, the fact that itās these same two guys again is Trumpās fault, not Bidenās. What Biden
is doing is normal. What Trump is doing is very much not.
theroguefeminist
Going to come out here and say this: if you do not vote for Biden, you are voting for Trump. | literally do not care what horde of leftists with the memory span of a goldfish come for me for saying this. A third party vote is no vote. No vote is a vote for Trump. If you care at all about saving democracy in this country long enough to elect someone better than Biden, vote for Biden. Not voting for Biden is a vote for a dictator and a vote for the end of democracy. As bad as things are, we saw they can get so much worse. And | do not want to hear the same people saying not to vote for Biden crying when shit hits the fan if Trump wins.
If you care about trans peopleās rights. If you care about abortion rights. If you care about immigrantsā rights. If you care about global warming. Literally any issue under the sun, will be made worse by Trump in every conceivable way imaginable.
| have a hard time fathoming how people are
still saying Trump and Biden are the same after everything that has happened. A quick Google
on Bidenās policies on every progressive issue vs Trump will tell you the opposite. Yeah, Biden is a shitty moderate liberal who supports Israel. So
is literally every single other US president that has ever fucking existed. Voting for a third party candidate will not help Palestine. It will literally only escalate things and make them even worse if Trump wins. In every conceivable way imaginable.
If you arenāt going to vote, then at least have the decency to stop pretending like what you are doing has any remotely positive impact. It does not. There is nothing virtuous or admirable about abstaining (and a third party vote is abstaining). We went through this in 2016. | thought people would have learned by now. But here we are again in 2024. If Trump wins, blood is on your hands and you didnāt do even the one easiest thing you could do to stop it from happening.
synnefa-kyria
The DNC was never going to nominate another primary candidate over the incumbent, the sitting president, who is in charge of the entire Democratic party.
| donāt think the sun shines out of Bidenās ass, guys, but please look at the bigger picture here.
Our presidential election is not ranked choice and is not won by a majority of over 50%. It is a two party system that is won by plurality; whoever gets the biggest slice of votes, even if itās under 50%, is the winner and they take all. First the district, then the state, then the Electoral College. This is why third parties have little influence. This is why voting for them or not at all benefits the opposition. This is why Trump won in 2016.
A 2024 Trump victory is an not something we as a nation can bear - itās bad for us, and it is unseeakabl bad for Palestine because Trumpās a far-right lunatic lacking morals and human compassion.
Not voting for Biden, third party or abstaining, will split the vote and cause a spoiler in favor
of Trump. See the 2000 Georee W Bush vs Al Gore election for reference. Take a long look at those razor thin mareins. Al Gore lost Florida
by 0.009%. Hell, walk down memory lane to the 2016 election. States where Trump won by a margin of 3% or less - Colorado, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin - would have won Hillary the Electoral College, 316 to 224,
We cannot fore et Russiaās war on Ukraine either. Do you honestly think Trump will want to continue US aid to Ukraine? Really? The
guy whoās all buddy-buddy with Putin and has Russia-supporting followers? Heās been vocal about his lack of enthusiasm for supporting Ukraine, and has threatened to hamstring NATO - Ukraineās principal ally - should the situation escalate further.
Russia is angling towards a return of the Soviet Unionās former territory - look at Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia (the country). Appeasement is not an option - thatās a proven failure. A possible return to the Cold War status quo is horrifying, and thereās every reason to believe they wonāt stop there, setting off a multitude of geopolitical tinder boxes. God above forbid any one of the parties involved sets off a nuclear bomb, tactical or ICBM.
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In a system, where there is only one winner, everyone else are losers. Systems like that always tend to strongly favor a two party system like the us has and unless you can realistically bet on being able to mobilise more than half of the voters, your best bet will always be voting for one of the established parties, if you want your vote to count towards anything. For smaller party votes to count you need a system more akin to those of many European countries, where the government is split proportionally by the amount of votes per party. Then voting for smaller parties can actually have a significant impact.
Stop feeding on propaganda, you can vote for anyone you want and everyone has the same chances of winning. Stop supporting evil.
Realistically, no. Because itās not a game of chance. Theoretically anyone could. Practically you live in a system where voting for small parties is punished by the lower of two evils losing votes and the greater of two evils not.
Following scenario: letās imagine the Mildly Evilā¢ Party and the Very Evilā¢ Party had a votes split of 55:45. Mildly Evilā¢ would win. Now we introduce party C, that is neither. The party can either appeal primarily to Mildly Evilā¢ voters or Very Evilā¢ voters. Very Evilā¢ voters are currently, overall, not unhappy with their party/candidate, since they like how evil their party is, while Mildly Evilā¢ voters donāt like that their party is as evil as it currently is, so itās safe to assume, itās gonna be the Not Evilā¢ Party. Now, Very Evilā¢ voters are not significantly going to vote for the Not Evilā¢ Party. Maybe a little less than a tenth of them will. And maybe a little less than half of Mildly Evilā¢ voters might vote something else, thus the Not Evilā¢ Party. The result would be Not Evilā¢ with 30%, Mildly Evilā¢ with 30% and Very Evilā¢ with 40%. Very Evilā¢ wins, the rest lose. Only the one with the most votes can have power. Your votes for Not Evilā¢ made Very Evilā¢ gain that power. And thatās including the unrealistic notion, that you could get half of all Mildly Evilā¢ voters to vote for a new and unproven party at all.
Now, letās take a better scenario based on different set of rules (aka the rules most other democratic countries live by, where parties need an absolute majority to govern): letās take those three parties again and the same results, Not Evilā¢ with 30%, Mildly Evilā¢ with 30% and Very Evilā¢ with 40%. Now, Very Evilā¢ have the most votes but they donāt have the absolute majority, so they cannot rule alone. Theyād have to find a partner. However both Mildly Evilā¢ and Not Evilā¢ would never work with them, because they are too evil for either. However, Mildly Evilā¢ is just about not evil enough, that Not Evilā¢ would consider working with them. Together they have 60% of votes and thus the absolute majority, forming the Almost Not Evilā¢ coalition for that term, building a foundation for Not Evilā¢ to grow until the next election.
This is the only way how voting for a small party can realistically work. Of course, usually there are more than three parties. Here in Germany, for example, there are more than a dozen, most of them too small to matter, thus there being a 5% hurdle for small parties, so the government is not so split it couldnāt function (thatās part of what killed the Weimar Republic and helped the Nazi Party to gain power in the 1930s). There are usually between 5-7 parties large enough enter the government and there are usually two to three parties in a governing coalition. Itās not a perfect solution but it gives smaller parties a fighting chance. In a system like the US, where a party just about needs to have a simple majority to win, not an absolute majority, smaller, independent parties almost never even have a chance.
Itās the same thing practically.
Hereās the current scenario: everyone is getting poor as fuck and a bunch of madmen are ruling the world and cycling in power. Nobody is happy with red or blue either
And unless you change the system that supports that youāll be trapped with the same two flavors of madmen. And you obviously cannot change the system in the right direction if you cast your vote to either someone who would love to be dictator or to someone who is too small to even have a voice.
Since the civil war, there hasnāt been one president who wasnāt dem or rep. The only one coming somewhat close was Teddy Roosevelt who, in 1912, split the Republican Party into two, after not being nominated, founded the Progressive Party and subsequently lost the election for himself and the Republican Party. [Results: Woodrow Wilson (dem) 41%, Roosevelt (pro) 27%, William Howard Taft (rep) 23%]. Were the Republican party not split, they might have won. And Roosevelt was an established politician and ex president at the time. Like, youād need someone like Obama to found a new party, be allowed to run for another term and not only beat the Democrats but also the Republicans in the actual election. Thatās just not realistic, even if it were actually possible.