No. Iâve come to terms with who I am and even like some aspects of it that I would miss so I wouldnât give it up if I had the choice, but itâs a disability for me, has been a very hard struggle, and I donât even have it as severe as some. I wouldnât wish this on more people. (Unless it was 100% of people because most of the struggles I have with the tism come from trying to live in a world designed by NTs that probably wouldnât exist in a world where everyone had tism)
Oh, I getchu. I would say a huge component of the disability, probably almost all of it, is because of the ways society is structured to punish anyone who isnât a NT majority-demographic person. (Which means it literally would be better if it was 100%).
Autism is a wide spectrum involving people with different life experiences. Itâs ok for you to say that you personally donât like being autistic, but do not use that to throw dirt on the people who are doing fine despite social discrimination.
Unless it was 100% of people because most of the struggles I have with the tism come from trying to live in a world designed by NTs that probably wouldnât exist in a world where everyone had tism
âŠAnd this adds even more to my point. This sounds to me like the message of someone who isnât suffering so much due to their innate characteristics as they have due to being discriminated. If youâre at that point, the logical position isnât âI wish to be normalâ, but âI wish society wasnât so full of assholes and was more tolerantâ.
The most difficult part of having autism for me is the need to analyze everything to try and figure out why people are acting the way they are.
No issues here, that attitude helps to solve misunderstandings.
I was thinking you might have autism from your post
Correct, I said so somewhere else.
They are expressing their feelings, and a neurotypical person would probably see your response as dismissive because you are telling them what they should feel instead.
I donât want to invalidate anyoneâs feelings, but everyone might have misdirected feelings sometimes. For instance, it is common among victims of abuse to hate themselves rather than the perpetrators of the abuse. If someone has an inherently debilitating condition, itâs perfectly natural for them to hate that condition. If someone has a condition that is, for the most part, neutral, but suffers social discrimination because of it, and places the origin of their pain in their condition, rather than in the discrimination, that is similar to an ethnic minority who suffers from racism growing into hating the fact that theyâre an ethnic minority. If someone literally says âmost of the struggles I have with the tism come from trying to live in a world designed by NTsâ, that pretty much sounds like they do fit what Iâm saying. Because autism is a wide spectrum, Iâm aware that some people in it do actually have innate difficulties due to being on the spectrum that wouldnât have emerged in a perfect environment, and if you read my original comment, youâll see that Iâm speaking in terms of possibilities and conditionals. But there is also a lot of autistic people who shouldnât unload their loathing into being autistic, but into the fact that suffering discrimination through their whole lives has made them accrue so much trauma that theyâve developed a different debilitating condition.
I am thinking that you might be getting downvoted because the problem seems to be an emotional subtext that isnât immediately obvious.
Thatâs the case for at least some of the downvotes. There is also at least one user who was defending the narrative that every person on the spectrum should hate the condition.
I am thinking they expect you to identify yourself as having autism, and without that frame of reference a neurotypical person might jump to conclusions that you arenât?
Do you mean this in the sense that I didnât initially mention Iâm autistic, or in the sense of the dichotomy âbeing autistic vs having autismâ? If itâs the former, thatâs on their part for jumping into conclusions. If itâs the latter, they should read into it and accept the reasons that lead some people to prefer one kind of language over the other.
I appreciate your interest into having a clear understanding of the discussion. Have a good day.
If you see a comment that breaks the rules, please report it and include which rule you believe it violated in the âreasonâ box. Donât argue/reply to comments that break the rules, just ignore them or block the user after youâve reported it.
I cannot report the comment of an user I have blocked, but you have had the chance to see it if you even put the minimum effort to check the context of my comment that you removed.
The comment of that user is in line with a social trend that aims to silence the voices of autism self advocates, to impose the discourse that autism is an ill that must be destroyed. If you had checked the other comments of that user, you would seen them speaking in behalf of parents of autistic people, rather than in behalf of autistic people themselves. Maintain the context and change the term: [No one likes being gay], [No one likes being black]. It is not difficult to see that it is hate speech. The fact that you warned someone getting angry at an user telling them that their identity ought not to exist, and actively or inadvertently promoting hate speech, but did nothing with the initial offending comments, makes me distrust the moderation of this community. Do you understand the issue?
Once again, youâre being rude and aggressive. You are now banned from this community.
But to address the accusations youâve made against the moderation of this community; I replied to your comment immediately despite it being a really inconvenient time. I didnât ignore you or just ban you, I took the time to explain the reporting process because youâre clearly upset/frustrated. Before I did that I did attempt to check the context. This is all I can see on mobile (remember itâs an inconvenient time):
Nothing in that comment breaks the rules. That is far more than the minimum effort in my opinion.
In the sidebar and the stickied post at the top of this community itâs explained that moderators are not the thought/morality police. My job is only to enforce the rules, not judge who is right in a discussion. Iâm was not part of your discussion and Iâm not interested in getting my involved outside of my obligations as a moderator. Your comments broke the rules, the other users didnât, so you got a warning.
Youâve continued to break the rules so now you are banned from this community. I will only ban you for 3 months because this is clearly an emotive topic for you - we can all lose our head over issues that effect us personally. Iâll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is the case. Any further rule violations will result in an immediate and permanent ban.
Iâve been patient, prompt and fair, and Iâve put more time and effort into responding to you than I think would be expected. I assume you can complain about my moderation to the instance admins if you remain concerned.
No. Iâve come to terms with who I am and even like some aspects of it that I would miss so I wouldnât give it up if I had the choice, but itâs a disability for me, has been a very hard struggle, and I donât even have it as severe as some. I wouldnât wish this on more people. (Unless it was 100% of people because most of the struggles I have with the tism come from trying to live in a world designed by NTs that probably wouldnât exist in a world where everyone had tism)
Oh, I getchu. I would say a huge component of the disability, probably almost all of it, is because of the ways society is structured to punish anyone who isnât a NT majority-demographic person. (Which means it literally would be better if it was 100%).
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Autism is a wide spectrum involving people with different life experiences. Itâs ok for you to say that you personally donât like being autistic, but do not use that to throw dirt on the people who are doing fine despite social discrimination.
âŠAnd this adds even more to my point. This sounds to me like the message of someone who isnât suffering so much due to their innate characteristics as they have due to being discriminated. If youâre at that point, the logical position isnât âI wish to be normalâ, but âI wish society wasnât so full of assholes and was more tolerantâ.
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No issues here, that attitude helps to solve misunderstandings.
Correct, I said so somewhere else.
I donât want to invalidate anyoneâs feelings, but everyone might have misdirected feelings sometimes. For instance, it is common among victims of abuse to hate themselves rather than the perpetrators of the abuse. If someone has an inherently debilitating condition, itâs perfectly natural for them to hate that condition. If someone has a condition that is, for the most part, neutral, but suffers social discrimination because of it, and places the origin of their pain in their condition, rather than in the discrimination, that is similar to an ethnic minority who suffers from racism growing into hating the fact that theyâre an ethnic minority. If someone literally says âmost of the struggles I have with the tism come from trying to live in a world designed by NTsâ, that pretty much sounds like they do fit what Iâm saying. Because autism is a wide spectrum, Iâm aware that some people in it do actually have innate difficulties due to being on the spectrum that wouldnât have emerged in a perfect environment, and if you read my original comment, youâll see that Iâm speaking in terms of possibilities and conditionals. But there is also a lot of autistic people who shouldnât unload their loathing into being autistic, but into the fact that suffering discrimination through their whole lives has made them accrue so much trauma that theyâve developed a different debilitating condition.
Thatâs the case for at least some of the downvotes. There is also at least one user who was defending the narrative that every person on the spectrum should hate the condition.
Do you mean this in the sense that I didnât initially mention Iâm autistic, or in the sense of the dichotomy âbeing autistic vs having autismâ? If itâs the former, thatâs on their part for jumping into conclusions. If itâs the latter, they should read into it and accept the reasons that lead some people to prefer one kind of language over the other.
I appreciate your interest into having a clear understanding of the discussion. Have a good day.
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Please read the rules of this community before participating again. Aggressiveness is not welcome here.
Have you actually warned and removed the comment that said âno one likes being autisticâ as well?
If you see a comment that breaks the rules, please report it and include which rule you believe it violated in the âreasonâ box. Donât argue/reply to comments that break the rules, just ignore them or block the user after youâve reported it.
I cannot report the comment of an user I have blocked, but you have had the chance to see it if you even put the minimum effort to check the context of my comment that you removed.
The comment of that user is in line with a social trend that aims to silence the voices of autism self advocates, to impose the discourse that autism is an ill that must be destroyed. If you had checked the other comments of that user, you would seen them speaking in behalf of parents of autistic people, rather than in behalf of autistic people themselves. Maintain the context and change the term: [No one likes being gay], [No one likes being black]. It is not difficult to see that it is hate speech. The fact that you warned someone getting angry at an user telling them that their identity ought not to exist, and actively or inadvertently promoting hate speech, but did nothing with the initial offending comments, makes me distrust the moderation of this community. Do you understand the issue?
Once again, youâre being rude and aggressive. You are now banned from this community.
But to address the accusations youâve made against the moderation of this community; I replied to your comment immediately despite it being a really inconvenient time. I didnât ignore you or just ban you, I took the time to explain the reporting process because youâre clearly upset/frustrated. Before I did that I did attempt to check the context. This is all I can see on mobile (remember itâs an inconvenient time): Nothing in that comment breaks the rules. That is far more than the minimum effort in my opinion.
In the sidebar and the stickied post at the top of this community itâs explained that moderators are not the thought/morality police. My job is only to enforce the rules, not judge who is right in a discussion. Iâm was not part of your discussion and Iâm not interested in getting my involved outside of my obligations as a moderator. Your comments broke the rules, the other users didnât, so you got a warning.
Youâve continued to break the rules so now you are banned from this community. I will only ban you for 3 months because this is clearly an emotive topic for you - we can all lose our head over issues that effect us personally. Iâll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is the case. Any further rule violations will result in an immediate and permanent ban.
Iâve been patient, prompt and fair, and Iâve put more time and effort into responding to you than I think would be expected. I assume you can complain about my moderation to the instance admins if you remain concerned.
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