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  • Yllych [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2412·
    1 year ago

    you can get a taste of where they come from (wrt trump at least) in this thread, and if you ask them in good faith about their positions the majority of the users will respond in good faith in kind

    • FaeDrifter@midwest.socialEnglish
      144·
      1 year ago

      Takeaways from the most popular posts:

      1. They LOVE executions

      2. It’s pretty difficult for any of them to just say trump is bad without qualifying that ALL US presidents are bad

      3. Trump is “funny and authentic”

      4. “Both sides are bad”

      Overwhelmingly they’re calling to kill Trump, but isn’t that literally just a LARP? This is never going to happen in real life. Once you wade through the execution fetish fantasy and step back into reality, they ever so slightly favor Trump over any other presidential candidate.

      • mycorrhiza they/them@lemmy.ml
        31·
        1 year ago

        I encourage people to actually read the thread. FaeDrifter has an axe to grind.

        Here is one of the responses:

        https://hexbear.net/comment/3843515

        None of us support Trump, just as none of us support Putin. But there is a sort of overcompensation in reaction to naieve and simplistic liberal narratives that might make it seem like we do.

        Leftists get frustrated with the worldview that imagines, to steal a phrase, that Trump is Voldemort and Biden is Harry Potter. Anti-capitalists oppose the Bourgeoisie and Trump and Biden are both in service to them. It isn’t even simply that they are both capitalists - they are both neoliberals, who enthusiastically pursue the goals of neoliberalism - the transfer of wealth and power from the working class to the bourgeoisie, the enforcement of Western imperialism on a global scale, the withering away of society through austerity and privatisation, etc.

        Of course it’s fine to support the democrats with the aim of harm minimisation. But liberals are wilfully blind to the fact that the system itself is not ‘rotten’ but rather functioning as intended, and that the scale of change required to have any hope of addressing climate change, wealth inequality, the descent into fascism and so on, cannot come from within liberal ideology at all let alone from the democrat party. Trump is kind of funny too in the way that he infuriates liberals by openly unveiling reality. For example, no-one cared when Obama was putting children in concentration camps, because it was hidden away behind a bunch of shiny rhetoric about hope and change. But when Trump does the same thing and celebrates it, when he brings the racism and inhumanity of the US state into the light and declares fuck those kids, liberals are forced to see the true nature of their beloved country which their ideological fantasies would usually repress. The blatant hypocrisy of their rage is, from the perspective of cynical leftists, both amusing and bewildering.