I’m sure sending out a list with none of the associated verification information wouldn’t have any weaknesses to manipulation or falsification…

The other poster said police and prisons are not necessary. I think it is an entirely valid question to ask what they propose be done about serial murderers, rapists, child molesters, and the like.

The unfortunate reality is that someone is going to have a monopoly on violence and it’s better to have a choice in who. Accountability is tough but possible. Body cameras and the ubiquity of smart phones has made it a lot easier to prove what really happened. These camera records need to be stored and processed by an independent federal agency though. Qualified immunity obviously needs to be dramatically curtailed. Cops should have to live in the neighborhood they patrol whenever possible. Eliminating anyone with the slightest hint of white supremacist leanings from candidacy. There are definitely things that can be done to cutrail the potential abuses of power.

I really do hope they do what you say and shut down the government again over ICE. With luck they will only have to keep it shut down until the newly elected democrat majority house takes office in January.

Police find the perpetrator in thousands of murders and rapes a year. Is that not worthwhile to you?

Believe me, I am fully aware of the problems with the justice system. It needs vast improvement, but that doesn’t mean it does not serve a necessary service.

That was an awful lot to say to not answer a simple question.

And the house passed it 222-209. If you want to blame the 8 Senate Democrats that voted for the bill, go ahead (Durbin, King, Hassan, Shaheen, Cortez Masto, Rosen, Fetterman, and Kaine),but blaming all of them is nonsense. Republicans are by far the problem and pretending there is no difference is delusional.

They were still doing that during the shutdown. The shutdown didn’t impact ICE at all.

Okay, so what do you do with a John Wayne Gacy, or a Timothy McVeigh?

Democrats voted against the bill. They didn’t have enough votes to stop it and they realistically couldn’t keep the government shut down til the end of the year. That would be a bigger disaster to Americans than the bill itself. Why are you giving Republicans a free pass on responsibility?

So first you said they voted in favor of the bill which I proved was a lie. Then you moved the goalposts to say “well, they didn’t fight hard enough” when you admit they literally shut down the government to stop the bill. Why are you so mad at Dems when you are giving Republicans a free pass?

Which budget bill besides the OBBB was passed in 2025?

Standard divide and conquer tactics. If they can keep Democrats fighting each other, the Republicans can continue their business uninterrupted.

I would describe those as murder, not collective community vigilantism.

Personally I would take guns away from most police. They would have to serve on the force for 4 years with no use of force complaints and then they would be allowed to carry a 6 shot revolver if necessary for their job. Ideally only calm, experienced officers who have earned public trust through years of practice in deescalation would carry and they would only be called in when deadly force is absolutely necessary to save lives.

I knew the first reply would be about a US centric comment.

BULLSHIT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act

I fully expect to see a similar headline about the US in the next 3 years.

You can host a communal tribunal and provide a verdict based on the overall consensus of the community.

That still has the essential problem of guilt being determined by popularity, not facts. Witches had trials like this before they were burned. There needs to be a system of rules to minimize bias and regulation of evidence to provable facts. That is why we have the jury trial system. Yeah, it still needs improvement but it’s a hell of a lot better than what you are describing.

Also you can keep people at home

Shoplifters and drug dealers, sure. But serial rapists and people who shoot someone in the face for looking at them funny? No way. They need to be locked up and we need someone to put them there. There will always be a certain amount of these people in any society and we have to account for that.

Likewise you do not need police when the community is in charge of its defence.

So basically “castle doctrine” states where people shoot kids who knock on the wrong door? Kyle Rittenhouse is an example of realistic “community defense”.

I bet there isn’t a line of reporters signing up to get shot in the head by ICE. A “Press” badge is just a bullseye for them.

Denmark?