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Anyone against the SMO is endorsing the NATO siege of Russia and the world and if they are “leftist” they are a Munafiq. I have no patience for this kind of “Russia is sooo reactionary, Putin Bad Man, but I’m definitely not a liberal I’m just repeating US state department talking points 😇”.
Anti-imperialism means being pro-resistance. Maybe those people whose governments have been trying to exterminate Russians for almost a century should shut their mouths about how Russian nation has responded to genocide (following USSR destruction) & imperialist siege? Russian Federation has been helping Syria defeat NATO terrorists since 2015 meanwhile “western left” was joining Rojava Kurdish separatist NATO puppets… Decolonization is necessary to develop socialism so maybe it’s not the КПРФ who are “fake communist”?
From the first cited article:
“Putin became the head of Russia in the beginning of 2000s. The country was dealing with its problems and dealing with the debts incurred by the received imperialist credits. At the time when Putin came to power, Russia’s population was 140 million. Its GDP was $259 billion. During the decade following the collapse of the USSR, the resources of the former USSR countries had been plundered by imperialists. When Putin was in power this imperialist plunder was ended. During the times when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were in charge, Russia was in a position as if the USA was running the country’s affairs. The USA’s direct agents like CIA and indirect agents resembling Fethullah and organisations of civil society infiltrated into every area in Russia and also in former USSR countries. When Putin became the leader, he cleared Russia of these agents. He tried to bring Russia to stand on its feet by using its own resources. By 2009 the GDP had increased to $1.164 trillion. Even though it reached $1.710 trillion in 2021, it is behind the level of the USSR in 1990.”
*edit this is not directed at you my friend but at the mentioned people
I believe it’s a case of either believing the KPRF is the Russian equivalent of the Yankee CPUSA in the negative connotations that’s normally associated with cpusa, that the KPRF is a boomer social luncheon party to spend days in nostalgia for the CCCP, or that the KPRF is objectively captured by the Russian capitalists under Putin and are controlled opposition.
And I’ve seen some takes dismissing the RCWP-KPRF as being a patsoc party on the grounds of their chauvinist LGBT+ views. But the few people that did hold that view that I knew of haven’t shown their face for a while so the RCWP’s more or less an unknown existence
It becomes even worse if you point out that a preemptive invasion of a weaker nation due to a fear of attack is the same justification that the USA used for the invasion of Iraq.
The difference is that in the case of the US that was a lie. And Ukraine being a US proxy is not actually the weaker party in this, Russia is because they don’t have the full backing of an alliance like NATO behind them. So Russia was entirely justified in feeling threatened by a militarized russophobic Nazi regime, not on the other side of an ocean but right on their border, wanting to join a hostile military alliance who openly declare that their principal enemy is Russia.
People who try to draw superficial comparisons between Ukraine and Iraq are lying by omission because literally everything about this is different.
And there are no NATO bases currently in Ukraine nor was there support for Ukraine in 2008 to repel Russian aggression. So it might have been a strategic worry for Russia, but nothing ever came of it.
And it comes back to my original point that the war was pre-emptive attack on a weaker sovereign nation for the stated purpose of defending the stronger nation from possible attack. This war has Bush doctrine all over it.
And it comes back to my original point that the war was pre-emptive attack on a weaker sovereign nation for the stated purpose of defending the stronger nation from possible attack. This war has Bush doctrine all over it.
It’s more complicated than that. There is still context from 2014 up till now, Minsk 1 and 2. Russia tried diplomacy talks then the SMO happened.
I was expecting an attempt at an argument. I mean, criticizing the Ukrainian Communist Party has a “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” energy to it.
Are you talking about 2014, when the U.S. orchestrated a coup in Ukraine, and Crimean residents were overwhelmingly in favor of joining Russia, foreshadowing the following decade of low-intensity civil war leading up to the current war?
Then would that justify France invading Niger after the Niger coup due to geopolitical reasons?
And these votes only seem to happen immediately after an invasion without any international observation. Or are you going to freak out when I point out this is how the Sudetenland got annexed.
Is Niger right next door to France? Did the most powerful country on the planet, that has been trying to destroy France for a century, instigate that coup, start arming up the Nigerien military, and then intimate that Niger would be allowed to join its aggressive military alliance? Do Nigeriens want to join France?
these votes only seem to happen immediately after an invasion without any international observation
You’re right to be skeptical. However, look at things like the shared political history of Russia and Crimea (both in the USSR longer than modern Ukraine has existed), the disagreeements between Crimea and Ukraine dating back to the 90s, the presence of ethnic Russians in the region, the absence of violence before or after the annexation, and the separatist movements in parts of Ukraine that also have large ethnic Russian populations. Nothing about the situation – other than western propaganda – suggests Russia is there against the will of the people.
Folks over at hexbear seem displeased with this take
Anyone against the SMO is endorsing the NATO siege of Russia and the world and if they are “leftist” they are a Munafiq. I have no patience for this kind of “Russia is sooo reactionary, Putin Bad Man, but I’m definitely not a liberal I’m just repeating US state department talking points 😇”.
Anti-imperialism means being pro-resistance. Maybe those people whose governments have been trying to exterminate Russians for almost a century should shut their mouths about how Russian nation has responded to genocide (following USSR destruction) & imperialist siege? Russian Federation has been helping Syria defeat NATO terrorists since 2015 meanwhile “western left” was joining Rojava Kurdish separatist NATO puppets… Decolonization is necessary to develop socialism so maybe it’s not the КПРФ who are “fake communist”?
From the first cited article:
“Putin became the head of Russia in the beginning of 2000s. The country was dealing with its problems and dealing with the debts incurred by the received imperialist credits. At the time when Putin came to power, Russia’s population was 140 million. Its GDP was $259 billion. During the decade following the collapse of the USSR, the resources of the former USSR countries had been plundered by imperialists. When Putin was in power this imperialist plunder was ended. During the times when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were in charge, Russia was in a position as if the USA was running the country’s affairs. The USA’s direct agents like CIA and indirect agents resembling Fethullah and organisations of civil society infiltrated into every area in Russia and also in former USSR countries. When Putin became the leader, he cleared Russia of these agents. He tried to bring Russia to stand on its feet by using its own resources. By 2009 the GDP had increased to $1.164 trillion. Even though it reached $1.710 trillion in 2021, it is behind the level of the USSR in 1990.”
*edit this is not directed at you my friend but at the mentioned people
Yeah it’s still a bit divided over there on opinions of the big two communist parties over in the RF.
What’s the situation?
I believe it’s a case of either believing the KPRF is the Russian equivalent of the Yankee CPUSA in the negative connotations that’s normally associated with cpusa, that the KPRF is a boomer social luncheon party to spend days in nostalgia for the CCCP, or that the KPRF is objectively captured by the Russian capitalists under Putin and are controlled opposition.
And I’ve seen some takes dismissing the RCWP-KPRF as being a patsoc party on the grounds of their chauvinist LGBT+ views. But the few people that did hold that view that I knew of haven’t shown their face for a while so the RCWP’s more or less an unknown existence
It becomes even worse if you point out that a preemptive invasion of a weaker nation due to a fear of attack is the same justification that the USA used for the invasion of Iraq.
The difference is that in the case of the US that was a lie. And Ukraine being a US proxy is not actually the weaker party in this, Russia is because they don’t have the full backing of an alliance like NATO behind them. So Russia was entirely justified in feeling threatened by a militarized russophobic Nazi regime, not on the other side of an ocean but right on their border, wanting to join a hostile military alliance who openly declare that their principal enemy is Russia.
People who try to draw superficial comparisons between Ukraine and Iraq are lying by omission because literally everything about this is different.
So if Ukraine couldn’t defend itself due to US support, then the comparison would have been accurate?
If Ukraine couldn’t defend itself due to US support, there would have been no war in the first place.
The threat of NATO having bases ON the Russian border is why this war is happening.
But don't take it from me, take it from this guy
Or better yet, how about the CIA?
They knew in 2008 that this was THE red line for Russia, then laughed and crossed it anyway, and it played out EXACTLY as their analysts said it would
And there are no NATO bases currently in Ukraine nor was there support for Ukraine in 2008 to repel Russian aggression. So it might have been a strategic worry for Russia, but nothing ever came of it.
And it comes back to my original point that the war was pre-emptive attack on a weaker sovereign nation for the stated purpose of defending the stronger nation from possible attack. This war has Bush doctrine all over it.
It’s more complicated than that. There is still context from 2014 up till now, Minsk 1 and 2. Russia tried diplomacy talks then the SMO happened.
2008 was Georgia, what are you talking about?
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I was expecting an attempt at an argument. I mean, criticizing the Ukrainian Communist Party has a “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” energy to it.
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:debate-pervert:instead if you can, more accessibleUnfortunately it doesn’t work for me, so I have to copy paste it like this.
“If the situation was entirely different, would this comparison be accurate?”
I’m only asking because of the previous invasion of Ukraine.
Are you talking about 2014, when the U.S. orchestrated a coup in Ukraine, and Crimean residents were overwhelmingly in favor of joining Russia, foreshadowing the following decade of low-intensity civil war leading up to the current war?
Then would that justify France invading Niger after the Niger coup due to geopolitical reasons?
And these votes only seem to happen immediately after an invasion without any international observation. Or are you going to freak out when I point out this is how the Sudetenland got annexed.
Are Nigeriens in favour of joining France?
Is Niger right next door to France? Did the most powerful country on the planet, that has been trying to destroy France for a century, instigate that coup, start arming up the Nigerien military, and then intimate that Niger would be allowed to join its aggressive military alliance? Do Nigeriens want to join France?
You’re right to be skeptical. However, look at things like the shared political history of Russia and Crimea (both in the USSR longer than modern Ukraine has existed), the disagreeements between Crimea and Ukraine dating back to the 90s, the presence of ethnic Russians in the region, the absence of violence before or after the annexation, and the separatist movements in parts of Ukraine that also have large ethnic Russian populations. Nothing about the situation – other than western propaganda – suggests Russia is there against the will of the people.
History, what even is it?
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