• PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world
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      This is technically the case everywhere.

      Healthcare is one of those things that will consume all available resources, and we can’t do that.

      Consider someone that requires round the clock, individual care. They are consuming the entire economic output of more than three people to care for someone that will have no more. I know there’s a lot of communists here, but communism doesn’t change that fact.

      What if we could keep someone alive for $1M per day? How long should we do it? We shouldn’t, and “death panels” are how that needs to be decided.

      You can talk about price gouging, but really high end medical care is akin to magic. It takes very smart people to do it, and something like an MRI requires liquid helium to remain superconducting. That’s just extremely expensive.

      Edit: this place is really weird. So many down votes. No argument against it. Very toxic.

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        While this is technically true. Back in reality land they were found to be automating the process of groundless denials having doctors lie about having examined dozens of cases despite having spent all of 10 seconds in a screen clicking deny all. Our current situation IS death panels and not just for the dying.

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          Sure. That’s not really a death panel though. That’s the inefficiency of lots of systems. If you make someone jump through enough hoops, they’ll give up. That saves money.

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        Well EU has pretty good healthcare but noons pays 3x market value of their car for single ambulance.

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          No one is talking about that. Healthcare has a budget. You have to distribute that budget equitably.

          It’s a more generalized, non emergency version of triage.

          Some people will die no matter what you do. Don’t waste resources on them. Some people will recover if you do nothing. Don’t waste resources on them.

          Some people will recover if you spend resources on them and die if your don’t. Use your resources on them.

          There’s always a cost benefit tradeoff.

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            Aside from you though 🫠

            Healthcare is one of those things that will consume all available resources, and we can’t do that.

            Consider someone that requires round the clock, individual care. They are consuming the entire economic output of more than three people to care for someone that will have no more.

            I just pointed that it doesn’t consume so much resources in EU as in US. So it can afford better care for longer period of time. And by that i mean tenfold in some cases.

            And guess what, insurance companies paying for that make huge profits yearly as well.

            I’m just pointing to system that can afford to keep patients alive without killing them because they or others can’t afford to pay for them while maintaining high quality care.

            Off topic

            Edit: this place is really weird. So many down votes. No argument against it. Very toxic.

            I didn’t down vote you if that matters 😉