The only reason why her activism is useless, despite all the shit she puts herself in front of, is because everyone who can actually change anything is doing their best to pretend she doesn’t exist.
The only way to change that in the most drastic way possible is to turn activism into terrorism. Because activism is based on the idea of if you shout loud enough they’ll hear you. Doesn’t account for those that hear but do not care.
Good Lord, Would somebody please get her a sitcom?
How dare you
Being close to an activist myself, they are outsiders by definition. I don’t know of any society that recognizes and pays for the job they do. Their job is very important for large groups of people, requires extra hours, doesn’t pay well if at all, yet it’s dangerous as fuck. On the side of society, it’s a loathed activity, even by the poor people, and it’s something that doesn’t easily allow people to scale socially. Worst of everything, activists rarely get recognition, and when they do, they are probably being tortured or dead.
Yeah, who the hell truly likes Greta Thurnberg? I certainly don’t, but I respect her, no matter where she’s coming from.
What’s not to like?
I won’t go there. Suit yourself.
I adore her, she gives a shit about more than just money and being a slave to corporations this is the natural state
Two very different takes on privilege—one sees responsibility, the other sees disconnect. Reality’s probably somewhere in between.
Who is disconnected?
truth about greta, two of them: number one: gaza lied about the death toll and there was no genocide. they did this because they lost; they got all their soldiers blown up. it was all for nothing. saying it was all civilians worked a miracle cure for hamas. it made everyone hate israel and made hamas “win” the war, and, it served as a potent recruitment tool for new recruits. if they had said “our last soldiers all got blown up cause this war is unwinnable; now we need more” this wouldntve recruited. saying “gaaaahhhhh how can you just sit there as israel murders our babies, and our women, and our elderly, right in our streets, with no one doing anything about it???” works much better. i dont think they realized the world response they would get; they had no idea what idiots people are. truth number two: we need people fighting for the environment like all hell, but she didnt go far enough the first time.
Hamas lied about the death tolls but not in the way you think. The truth is that Hamas only counted the people who they could confirm the identity of, their death toll is a massive underestimate. Basically all credible sources agree that the death toll is at least as high as Hamas says.
Can you link your source about the death tolls?
i don’t think their ass has a url
why does Israel admit to this? the Israelis have reported that the majority of the people they killed are civilians. why are there numbers showing a lie for Hamas?
i once voluntarily gave up all my possessions. i mean all of them. just put them out in public. took a while, had to do several different loads. stuff i loved. stuff id had since i was a kid. then went voluntarily homeless for about eight years. now im an activist. before that i went to usc (on scholarship). now im also a stock trader (retail, but sucking at it. lost a lot of money so far). am i good or bad??? i dont want to be badddddd i tried so hard to be good; what if im rich somehow so im bad??? fuck i fucked it all up somehow if so
Helping other people -sometimes by putting yourself in active danger- is so… selfish and privileged???
Seriously, I’d love to hear this person’s idea of what someone with generational wealth should be doing to be a good person.
making a lotta MONEY! probably.
That’s “generating value for the economy” to you, peasant.
It’s trickling down any minute now!!!
Don’t make me come down there and CREATE fewer JOBS!! Because I’m going to do that on my own tomorrow anyway
This person probably thinks nobody deserves a life the slightest less miserable as theirs
“Why doesn’t she get a real rich parents job like Senior Financial Analytics Executive?”
No, you got to understand:
The best thing to do is launch several startups that will either fail or succeed by sucking all the life of your employees and if you can make your customers lives miserable also you hit the jackpot.
You see, unprivileged people are too busy working for a living to try to change the system that destroys the world while keeping most people too busy and exhausted to change the system. This is of course, the fault of the people that tries to change the system, apparently.
what someone with generational wealth should be doing to be a good person.
Give their butler a generous holiday bonus after they drive you home insufferably drunk on new years
Ugh you let your butler drive you places? That’s not how you butle properly. Mine uses a rickshaw.
Peasant. Mine uses his arms to carry me everywhere in a human throne.
They’re pretty obviously a Zionist troll, paid or not, and as such they will never argue in good faith nor have basic moral standards.
They’re probably self-deprecating to the point where they see her trying to help and feel inadequate for not being able to do the same. They understand that she has the resources to do so and they don’t, but those feelings of inadequacy still don’t go away, so they just want her to be gone so that they don’t have to feel that way anymore.
I see that line of thinking all the time in people who have internalized the American propaganda of “work hard and you’ll find success.” They can’t process the fact that they’re working as hard as they can without achieving success, so they rebel against the idea of success itself regardless of how its used, because they see that as easier to topple than the broken system that causes the issue in the first place.
They’re in such distress that they no longer care about whether we’re moving forward or backward as a society, so long as they feel a bit better right now. It’s exactly where the elite want us to be.
she could have easily become a liberal grifter. instead she puts her life at risk to help others. she’s probably one of the best people on the face of the earth.
Yeah, this. Every day we see people succumbing to the lure of monetizing having tons of attention on them, and a distinct brand.
Also, her parents aren’t that rich:
Using Sweden’s publicly available income tax data, which is generally regarded as being very trustworthy, makes it abundantly evident that the Thunbergs are by no means affluent elites. They represent, at most, what may be called well-off professionals who live simply in a nice part of Stockholm.
Can you name some examples of well known liberal grifters?
John Fetterman and Krysten Sinema come to mind. Most self described “liberal” politicians, really.
Depending on the year Bill Maher would quality.
Hadn’t thought of him in a while. Excellent example, thanks.
I am from the internet. I’m here to help.
Bill Maher is LARPing as a liberal, he is conservative as fuck
I’ve been aware of him since the '90s. He’s been anti-vax long before that moved from a liberal to a Republican position during covid. He’s had a lot of other liberal positions that have moved toward conservatism over the years.
It’s the reason I specified that the year is going to be important because he has changed. I think part of the issue is that he’s often just dumb more than funny and that makes him seem more conservative than he is and has been in the past.
But he’s always had a grifter vibe.
He believes in universal healthcare and progressive social programs, he just says most dont actually get to the people. He doesnt believe in geyser spending like the far left of today, where lefties of today want infinite programs like a shotgun, instead of a far more progressive tax structure that can meet peoples real needs more directly; for things like paying for the growing cost of shelter thats being ignored.
anyone who gets paid to tell rich people at Davos to “Stop it, please”
Anyone currently being paid by CHORUS should qualify
According to Peter Thiel, she’s the antichrist.
Stop, you’ve already sold me on how cool she is.
she could have easily become a liberal grifter.
What do you mean by liberal grifter?
- 1a: inclined to be open to ideas and ways of behaving that are not conventional or traditional : broad-minded, tolerant
- 1b: of, relating to, or favoring a philosophy of liberalism (see liberalism sense 1), especially political liberalism (see liberalism sense 2a) and often also social liberalism
- 1c: : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism (see liberalism sense 2a) especially : such a philosophy calling for the government to play a crucial role in relieving social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class) and in protecting the environment, and often including the aims of social liberalism
- 2a: relating to economic liberalism (see liberalism sense 2d) a political philosophy based on belief in progress and stressing the essential goodness of the human race, freedom for the individual from arbitrary authority, and protection and promotion of political and civil liberties
- 3a: marked by generosity : openhanded
- 3b: ample, plentiful
no idea what your point is. that’s just a random word definition
twat noun ˈtwät British usually ˈtwat pluraltwats
Simple Definition A Simple Definition is available from our Learner’s Dictionary to help you understand the meaning faster. 1 slang, vulgar + offensive : a woman’s sexual organs 2 British : a stupid or annoying person ‘… no, you’re not sorry, you’re just a twat.’ —Mark Billingham
Pluraltwats is my new band name.
I dunno, I like “usual twat”. Or maybe that’ll be pluraltwats’ first album?
So you got nothing, lol.
not going to deny, I have absolutely no idea what you were trying to say, so technically, I can’t answer that. but that’s like winning a debate by only barking and making other debaters give up on dealing with you.
The Iran shit brought the trolls out, interesting.
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He means “says what center-left and further progressives want to hear, but then is all talk and no action, no substance”
John Fetterman, Kirsten Sinema, Deja Fox type shit
In order words, Geta could have just been all talk but the fucking IDF roughed her up and she came back for more
Then why didn’t he say that? What you are saying makes complete sense.
Also, there are a lot of trolls trying to mix up and confuse the word liberal. I wanted to know what they exactly meant. No answer, just “blah, blah, insult, blah, blah, blah.”
Then why didn’t he say that?
Bc your original comment in its entirety made very little sense. Why would you ask what a liberal grifter is then feel like it’s necessary to explain what a liberal is? My guess is that you were just being condescending and now realize you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about.
And not being able to understand your condescending nonsense doesn’t make someone a troll. That sounds more like a victim complex and projection cocktail to me.
A lot of people get “liberal” mixed up with “neoliberal,” and it would be kinda funny if it wasn’t so annoying.
Like, yeah, I get it, “neoliberal” contains the word “liberal.” A third grader could figure that out. But “neoliberalism” is a misnomer; there’s nothing liberal about it at all. In fact, it’s a conservative economic ideology.
Liberalism itself sprung from the humanist tradition and has a long philosophical tradition, but people who have never read classic liberal philosophy think they know what it is.
Of course, it developed in the west, so people associate it with imperialist/colonialist projects. But western philosophy also gave us concepts like human rights, secularism, and the scientific method. Are those things colonialist projects, too?
And yeah, there are some corporate sellout neoliberals on the Democrat side of the aisle. That doesn’t make “liberalism” about corporatism, it makes those corporate Dems not really liberal.
Also, lots of republicans are/were neoliberals. Reagan most famously, but also basically every self-declared “fiscal conservative.” “Fiscal responsibility” is code for “stinginess,” the opposite of “liberality.”
“Liberal,” on the other hand, in the sense of “generous,” means “giving freely.” It also comes from the same root as “liberty.”
So yeah, a lot of people attack “liberalism” and “liberals” because they get it confused with “neoliberalism.” Try to explain the difference and you’ll get some tankie accusing you of being an ignorant westerner, or even a fascist, not even grasping the irony that 1), they’re revealing their own ignorance about the subject, and 2), liberalism and fascism are mutually opposed to each other.
Of course, when conservatives use “liberal” as an insult, they’re talking about progressives, leftists, and anyone else they lump into that category.
I guess there’s no winning…
I guess there’s no winning…
That does seem to be the point. Confuse everyone so it loses all meaning.
I appreciate your request for clarification. Political liberalism, economic liberalism, libertarianism, and anti-authoritarianism are three rings on a Venn diagram.
Anyone more fluent in the issue, please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Anti-authoritarianism is a component in a vast swath of political ideologies, and by itself is as meaningless as half of an address on an envelope in Hong Kong’s biggest post office.
Political liberalism typically bears features typically associated with the center-left; a lukewarm or even ambivalent stance on the nationalization of important strategic resources, and a penchant for permissive social and cultural dynamics (common sense civil rights like gay marriage and racial justice). Unfortunately, it lends itself to complacency and the paradox of tolerance, (or even outright allying with the political right for the sake of upholding the status quo) hence why leftists tend to barely tolerate or even dislike liberals on principle.
Economic liberalism is essentially laissez-faire Keynesian capitalism. Corporatism thrives under these conditions, leading to the exploitation of the working class by political bodies compromised by their economic power brokers. This in turn leads to corruption, the erosion of human rights, and other awful shit that should be avoided.
Social liberalism is (usually) an anti-authoritarian stance wherein democratic values are openly espoused and this attitude is applied to economic functions. This is the most common political orientation in continental Europe.
Libertarianism is a political orientation which combines an (ostensibly) anti-authoritarian leaning with fanatical devotion to capitalist economic models. This can range from corporatism to anarcho-capitalism. In their eyes, the free market is the greatest thing ever invented. All hail the almighty and benevolent coin. /s /s /s
The typical sentiment behind ‘liberal grifter’ is an individual who claims affinity to political liberalism co-opting disestablishmentarian sentiments for the sake of improving personal public image. They larp as an anarchist for the cameras, but really they’re just as invested in maintaining the status quo as any other economically-minded political liberal with capitalist leanings.
I really wish I could do what Greta does. I’m glad she does it for those of us who can’t.
Is activism contemporary monasticism?
IIRC, European medieval age societies used or required monasticism to carry out or legitimate deviant behaviour (in retrospect, some of it good, some of it bad) by saying that monks are doing the religious work for them.
I don’t think consider Thunbergs behaviour bad or not noteworthy, but I think our work isn’t exactly to heroise Thunberg as a person and be done with the topics.
I want to point out that is not what you said, but that’s what a lot of people read into this.
Punk and anarchism had this mantra of “kill your idols” and what is meant by that, is that we should turn our heroes back into actionable behaviours of people like you and me.
Criticising someone for trying to make the world a better place makes you the most pathetic loser on the face of the planet.
I peeped their Twitter account and they’re absolutely a trash human being.
The biggest enemy of any leftist is a slightly different leftist
Damn leftists! They ruined leftism!!
Where do you get the idea that a Zionist is a leftist from?
Gretta?
The person in the screenshot complaining about Greta.
Because one else here is being negative about her. So I can’t see where else this imaginary leftist enemy is coming from.
Oh I don’t know who she is. This sort of stuff is so common
I don’t either, but the emojis in their name give it away.
Bold of you to think I pay attention to Twitter users at that level
I’m guilty of this
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Commenters on here keep telling me left and liberal are different things. Like, shut the fuck up please.
What a weird response to learning something new. It must be pretty unpleasant to be like that.
stfu please
No worries, I’m blocking you 😘
Newsflash: Different words have different meanings, more at 11…
…are they not? I’m confused.
I know right? And the downvotes dont make it any more clear
It would probably help if you expanded on your statement a bit.
Using the phrase “useless activism” says everything we need to know about the poster.
How can you take her seriously when she doesn’t even generate value for her capitalist overlords?
Have made a few searches on Greta Thunberg and her parents and they are not “rich”. They are better off than average in Sweden but calling them rich is a bit of a stretch.
Is this the classic misdirection where anyone who isn’t poor is classified as rich so you can incite them against policies that would target “the rich”, when they’re actually two or three orders of magnitude away from being (negatively) affected by those policies?
