Comedy video about going vegan that has a positive message I think people who care about animal welfare and the environment should be adopting more.
Comedy video about going vegan that has a positive message I think people who care about animal welfare and the environment should be adopting more.
Of course it doesn’t. They’re a non-vegan with empathy talking about animals. Why do you sound surprised?
Your friends are already evil. You are evil. I am evil. We all deliberately cause harm, knowingly or unknowingly. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. If you can’t be friends with evil people, you are either lonely or hypocritical.
One of the lighthouses in my activism is Daryl Davis, a black man who befriended Ku Klux Klansmen and got them to leave the Klan. People often stick to convictions out of community or habit, and living in a community where we accept each other’s shortcomings and help each other become better is much more effective than any sort of moral condemnation. As long as everyone inside and outside the community can enforce their personal boundaries.
You’re right that vegetarians aren’t in solidarity with animals, but that doesn’t mean we should never be in solidarity with them. Of course, don’t have solidarity when a vegetarian makes animal product pancakes in a vegan kitchen; but when they do reduce their consumption, why not be their friend and cheer them on? You are better at it than them, but so what? Does a parent look down on their child for not being able to ride a bike?
Just be nice for fuck’s sake.
If people would really live by this, then why even do anything “ethical”?
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate on him (I don’t really have the impression that I hated on him at all, that was criticism at best) for going vegetarian, I even said earlier that it’s a step in the right direction. If this would have been a video on him going vegetarian, I wouldn’t have bothered much. Sure, from a general outside view, vegetarian is better than omnivore, but - again - in the context of the video, he himself shows why there’s not much difference between the two.
Also this is not about me, it doesn’t even matter whether I’m vegan or not. Don’t worry, I don’t go around judging people by what they eat, “some of my best friends are vegetarian”. But those people usually don’t put videos of their eating-habits out there. I’d just have preferred some deeper introspection.
Because you care for people and want to cause them no harm, or at least less? I don’t understand what you mean by the question.
I’m sorry, but it is. I have been responding to your response. The response you chose to write. You even recognize the irony of saying “some of my best friends are vegetarian”; some part of you sees you’re doing the same sort of backpedaling that other people saying “some of my best friends are X” are doing.
So how about you and the part of you that chose to put that statement in quotes continue this conversation? That part of you is on to something, and they know you better than a random person on the internet ever could.
Are you now just arguing for the sake of arguing?
That was a response to your “There is no ethical consumption under capitalism”. With your current response even contradicting your previous statement, i.e. “Because you care for people and want to cause them no harm, or at least less? I don’t understand what you mean by the question.” <- see. There are ethical ways to live/consume in capitalism, not everything is about greed. There is a choice. Which is what vegetarianism and veganism are explicitly about. If you really lived by “There is no ethical consumption under capitalism” then there would be no rationalization for being vegetarian or vegan.
Also still - this whole discussion can be had without going into who I am or what I do. My comment is about the video, in which he went vegan for a while, then decided to eat meat again the first second the time is over, without taking a minute to think about what he did the last month. That section where they were eating the burger could as well have been a discussion about how their month went, and how and why they continue from there. That’s a criticism that can come from anyone, no matter whether they are vegan, vegetarian or omnivore. I never claimed anywhere that I’m vegan or not, it’s irrelevant for this discussion.
Please look up how “no ethical consumption under capitalism” is used in other contexts, because you’re clearly not willing to take my comments in good faith and it would be a shame if you brought this aggressive ignorance to other conversations.