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They have always reminded me of a trough type urinal in a gay men’s leather bar, especially the silver ones.
Are we talking about the lose metal ones you see at like national parks that sound like youre pissing into a metal drum? If so I agree.
Yes. Those exactly. Except at a leather bar they have a mirror mounted on the wall above them.
One of these drove by me the other day in a parking lot and it was just squeaking and creaking in a way you’d expect a 30 year old vehicle to sound, the thing is basically a half-finished prototype that I guess Musk just got sick of trying to make actually good because he knows that his cult chuds buying these things couldn’t give a fuck if they are built properly or not.
It was ill-conceived, over-promised, and under-delivered.
They’re huge. They’re ‘stainless’. They’re unibody. The drivetrain is expensive as shit. The tech innovations (digital door handles, controlless dash, bed cover are just wastes of money.
He wanted to make an impregnable, floatable tank. They ended up cutting every corner on structure and putting that into form, but when they finished, the design and QC was so bad that it just failed all over.
To fix everything that would be needed to cover the non-artistic issues, it would be the price of a large house instead of a small one.
Ok I was wondering if the one I heard creaking by me the other day was an anomaly. There are two locally and they both have squeaky suspension.
Yeah, I hadn’t seen one drive by slowly in a quiet area before, so this is the first time I noticed it, but it sure sounded like the boots and/or joints were already toast on a 2-to-4 year-old truck, which is insane.
Me, I’m worried about the brake lines.
I suspect it would not have been a huge success, but it would have done significantly better if all the political BS hadn’t been involved. Whatever though, it’s in the history books now.
I had some weirdo conservative explain that he would have gotten one but he was scared some “trans thug” would single him out for retribution if he drove one - it’s incredible, musk has finally united both sides of US politics with this truck; Nobody wants to be seen in one of these things.
I think I have a pretty good idea of what their porn history search looks like
Even if Musk had remained entirely apolitical, I can’t imagine the Cyber Truck doing much better without also doing something to address the high profile safety issues with the car and the insane number of recalls issued for it. Even if it had managed to get off to a stronger start, I would still expect people to abandon it in droves once they realized it was an overpriced deathtrap that could crap out on them and leave them stranded at any time.
Politics aside it would have done significantly better if the pricing they had during its announcement event was anything close to the pricing it had at release. They announced it at $39.9k, $49.9k, and $69.9k for the RWD, AWD, and Cyberbeast. The RWD didn’t really ever happen, at least not as announced. They did release a RWD but it was different and much more expensive. They pulled it from market after ~5 months. The AWD and Cyberbeast actually released at $69.9k and $99.9k. Needless to say many people cancelled their preorders.
You say it’s just in the hostory books, but unfortunately for me, I see one almost every time I drive anywhere longer than 10 minutes. It’s entirety possible I’m seeing the same guy more frequently because we live close to each other, but checking the license plates on them when I can, I’ve seen no less than half a dozen unique Cybertrucks in the last couple years, mostly along the same commute to and from work (no highways)
Yeah, despite their low sales I see them constantly. But I live in a really conservative area where most people think Musk isn’t far enough to the right. I travel through a lot of rural areas all over the country and I think more rednecks would buy them but it isn’t as reliable as a twenty year old diesel truck. Now that they’re selling much cheaper than at the beginning they seem to be trickling out.
Beating out the Edsel for worst automotive flop is quite a feat.
Imagine being so dumb you manage to turn that kind of momentum into the electric Edsel
IDK, the Edsel was at least reasonably priced.
I also don’t think the Cybertruck’s aestetics are going to age the same way Edsel’s has.
Even placed in de universe of Cyberpunk, where it’s allegedly from, it really is mostly just a dumpster with wheels.
I saw some Chinese company had done a reskin or replica of the cyber truck body but actually made it look kinda cool, like something you’d actually expect to find in a film.
It just showed what an abject failure Musk is, as it’s the only car he had a hand in designing…
Oh yeah. I’ve definately seen some renders that make it look quite nice, but they do that by adding a bunch of elements to it like skirts, extended wheel arches, spoilers, light bars, paint and lower it to the point you can’t use it as a truck anymore.
But then it also really stops being what it origionally was.
The idea that anyone used one as a truck, or that it could even reasonably be used as one is pretty laughable.
But if I was a man child who wanted a toy car the Chinese one at least looks less like a bin on wheels. https://www.carscoops.com/2025/05/gacs-cybertruck-inspired-pickup-launching-in-2027/
The idea that anyone used one as a truck, or that it could even reasonably be used as one is pretty laughable.
I mean, most people don’t use trucks as trucks.
I was going to comment on that but didn’t want to get burned at the stake. I agree the Edsel was a pretty good looking car, even if it wasn’t completely conventional for the time period. The cybertruck almost looked good in its early concept days before it got turned into a literal dumpster fire.
It can be a controversial item, but then cars are rarely universally put on a podium for it’s looks. Usually when you cater to broad audiences designs are trending towards the more boring/vanilla side.
The cars that really stick out design wise have always been at least somewhat controversial. Even today still with all these decades of car design exprience. Take for example BMW’s new (massive) grille.
It truly does look like an “apocalypse-proof tank” in the sense that it resembles a cheesy “car of the future” slapped together with sheet metal for a low-budget sci-fi flick. I think they were channeling Damnation Alley.
@LovableSidekick @technology Ah I see you’ve also watched “Damnation Alley”
Yes, probably on Showtime back in the 80s.
But it looks so good!!!
/s
I wonder if in another ~30 years we’ll get another wave of nostalgia and make the Delorean v3?
I wonder if it will be possible to have antique cars from this period on. With all of the software in them they’d have to release the source code or decompile it to keep them on the road.
I have an “old” electric car. (2018 Leaf) I’ve noticed some of the issues you allude to.
There is a Nissan app that doesn’t work for the car anymore, because the car has a 3G cellular radio in it, and there just aren’t many, if any, remaining 2g/3g towers. It does have android auto, which so far I don’t care for, but that’s probably a skill issue. The car has navigation, but the maps are out of date and Nissan isn’t offering updates anymore. It has Sirius XM, and I think I could just turn on the subscription and it would work. Lastly, the “rapid charge” port on the car is a CHAdeMo port, and there are fewer of those than NACS or CCS.
Outside of those things, the car works like any other EV. All menus and screens operate and all the accessories work.
Whether or not something will last as a “classic car” depends on the same thing as it always has: the number of weirdos interested in that car. There aren’t huge groups of people trying to keep Chevy Chevettes or AMC Concords alive, but there are huge online communities and even some cottage industries that have risen up around things like Jeeps, Suzuki Samurais, air-cooled Volkswagens, old BMW’s, and yes, Nissan Leafs.
Sure. The shell and possibly drivetrain will be original, and the electronics will be replaced. Just like all those kits to make electric vw buses (though they will still run just gine on gasoline. l
I’m not sure we could make a profitable, well-built DeLorean, even if a real automaker tried. Testla didn’t do anyone any favors, but there are reasons they Deloreans failed to take the market by storm. Outside being unique/famous, they weren’t easy to deal with on any front
Yeah, that’s my point. The Cybertruck seems heavily inspired by the nostalgia of the Delorean and people forgetting the problems. It’s easy to think that they were considered cool by watching Back to the Future, but they were considered junkers, and that’s even how it’s meant to be viewed by Doc using it.
The androids butt plug.
Interesting.
I actuaally like the look of the cybertruck. Probably just because it is something different. Most cars eesm to be nearly all the same these days. That said, everything about the cyber truck besides the look is terrible. Soo many rushed choices… and of course there is Elon. I like that he does things regular companies wouldn’t. But how he does them is generally horrible. And of course, he is horrible too.
I love cars that are different but the cybertruck just ain’t it. When they announced it the proportions worked pretty well and I’d say looked pretty good, but then they released the production model and it lost any good looks it had because of those proportions. Then it came out that the frame is aluminum, and they’re terrible at anything a truck should be able to do (except for drive in a straight line fast).
This is coming from a guy that actually likes how the Pontiac Aztek looks (I still don’t understand why people think it’s so ugly) and would probably drive a Fiat Multipla!
The Aztek is terrible but endearingly so. I’d drive one
Is it even.considered “automotive”?
I actually don’t hate the cypbertruck…
I know I’m in the minority… But I really hate boring gray cars and this thing is definitely not boring!
Fuck Elon and all his fucking bullshit, but let’s imagine a world where he loses everything, now I know it’s difficult but try imagine this scenario through your perfectly natural erection at the though of musk going broke (perfectly natural response). But imagine he’s flat broke, tesla goes under, fire sale on everything… Would you buy one for 10k? … How about 5k?
How low would the price have to go for you to buy one? …for whatever reason, even if it won’t get publicly registration for road use etc.
Even if you like the non boring appearance, the quality of the build is, to my understanding, terrible. Sharp edges on the steel, unevenly aligned everything, corrosion, the giant wiper gets too much stress and fails, etc.
Don’t forget random panels popping off during operation. Cringey “skins” applied to functional parts with shiity adhesive instead of bolts/rivets (e.g. the gas pedal cover that would fall off and jam the accelerator on), bricked by car wash unless deliberately triggering “car wash mode”, hidden or no emergency release for door locks sealing people into burning/submerged vehicles, truck that can’t tow, bed that can’t fit common items like a bike or dimensional lumber, perpetually ugly rust/hand oil stained panels, no magic unbreakable panels/glass, less range delivered than advertised, multiple features disabled by snow, improper safety sensors to detect occlusions leading to the finger chop/pinch incidents, cheap vibrating interior and fake auto pilot that constantly tries to kill passengers and pedestrians. And of course giving car makers cover to follow the dangerous, shitty tablet based Interior and attempt to end physical, no-look controls in moving motor vehicles.
And that’s just top of mind from inside this hellish firehose to the face of disappointing information that we live in everyday.
At least those 63 actual humans that purchased one clearly identify as the worst people in their communities with these malfunctioning $100,000 vape pens on wheels.
No, I would not even take one even if they paid me the current price. The thing is not street legal in the EU, therefore useless. The reasons that it is not street legal have nothing to do with Elon directly but with that vehicle being unjustifiably dangerous to pedestrians and other drivers as well. If you drive one of those it tells all the others how much you care about everyone that isn’t you.
I reject that thing not because it isn’t street legal I reject it for why it isn’t street legal and that goes down to the heart of its design and concept.
You’d have to pay me to take one now, even with the warranty and a service arm that presumably exists. After the company is defunct? That’s the heaviest piece of ewaste ever made.
…heaviest piece of e-waste ever made so far
Tesla has a reputation around confronting people with expensive battery pack swaps over a broken coolant pipe and stuff like that, you don’t need them to go out of business for a reasonable chance to turn your car into premature ewaste.
It doesn’t matter how cheap I can get one, because A) it is incredibly ugly and shouts to everyone around you that you have incredibly bad taste, and B) because it is a poorly designed piece of junk that breaks just by being in the car wash. Why would I want something that is both expensive to fix AND breaks easily?
You couldn’t pay me any sum of money to debase myself that much, and I love debasing myself.
I am also in the minority in that I like how it looks. It has a retro futuristic feel to it.
Having said that, putting aside that it became THE Nazi mobile of our time, it is stupidly big and apparently very badly made.
The build quality and reputation ruin it for me
I actually don’t hate the cypbertruck…
Hate is a big word, but Elon’s antics, the fact that most of the car’s aestetics are essentially superglued trim pieces, and that it just isn’t a better truck in any meaningful sense of the word took away most of this vehicle’s appeal to me.
Mostly the first point though.
That it ultimately didn’t sell for anywhere near the origionally announced price, and that in Europe they don’t want it on the road at all, also doesn’t help.
Id only want one to take the drivetrain or batteries out of. I bet that happens to a lot of them.
I would be a buyer at a low price if not for the social stigma. In a parallel universe where Elon released the cyber truck but kept his 2016 public image I’d but one for a low low price.
Can’t be the worst flop. The Cybertruck outsold the Ioniq 6 by roughly a 2:1 margin in the US. Both were introduced around the same time, and it sounds like Hyundai already pulled the 6 from the US market. But while the Cybertruck was a certified piece of crap, the Ioniq 6 was consistently rated at the top of available EV on the market. I guess sedans are pretty much DOA as a body style these days though.
That’s a US-only perspective. The Ioniq 6 sold quite well in the EU while the the CT is US-only because of…well…it being what it is
While that may be true, I can’t imagine any American article considering a perspective outside of the US. CT is available in Canada as well, and at least anecdotally, I see them just a little less often than Ioniq 6s. I bought a 6 a couple years ago and love it. Interestingly, I did not find the 5 as appealing, though it too had good bona fides as an EV.
Oh wait, did you forget that the Cybertrucks’s #1 customer was SpaceX? Also, you are just plain wrong. Hyundai sold approximately 37,000 Ioniq 6’s in just the US.
Tesla sold 20,237 Cybertrucks, but SpaceX bought exactly 1,279 of them. So the actual number would be 18,958.
18,958 is not 2x greater than 37,000.
Are you confusing Ioniq 5 with the 6? I doubt Hyundai sold 37,000 Ioniq 6s in the US throughout its entire production run, but Tesla sold 38,965 CTs in 2024 alone, and a little over 20K in 2025. I have seen this number on other sites as well. Hyundai reported percentage decline for the Ioniq 6, but I saw sliding numbers from 2023 to 2024 where they sold about 9000 cars per year down to only about 1200 in total for 2026 before they pulled out. The Ioniq 5 sells over 30K cars per year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-sales-elon-musk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Ioniq_6#Sales
They sold roughly 36,000 in just the US. They sold over 96,000 worldwide through the end of 2024.
And? The CT sold more than that in 2024 alone. I am confused as to what point you are trying to make here.
You: I doubt Hyundai sold 37,000 Ioniq 6s in the US throughout its entire production run.
Me: They sold a bit more than 36,000 in just the US.
You: I don’t know what your point is.
You questioned a fact another person said, and now you are confused when someone links you the data to show the fact?
Also, the Ioniq 6 has sold around 96k worldwide. According to your numbers, Cybertruck has sold around 58k + 2026 sales (around 9k). While I can’t find stated sales goals for the Ioniq 6, Elon was talking about selling 250k Cybertrucks per year. Elon talked about building a manufacturing throughput of 2500 cars per week (125,000/year) and currently achieving 1300 cars per week (65k/year). Tesla bought roughly 2 percent of all Cybertrucks purchased.
I see. That person refuted the claim that the CT was outselling the Ioniq 6 as I claimed. But from every source I see, CT sold about 70K and Ioniq 6 about half that, hence my original post claiming such. He may be confused and was pulling annual US sales numbers about the Ioniq 5, which sells about 30-35K models per year. But as per my original post and the article, this is about car sales in the US only and defines US market flops in terms of sales numbers, with no other metric considered. The Ioniq 6 was outsold by the CT and had more time on the market, which makes it arguably worse.
in the us… the hyundai is sold elsewhere too. in places where cybertruck isn’t even road legal
I feel like to count it for a flop you have to account for total produced units as well as the sales. For example if a company produces 100,000 units and sells 99,000 of them those are solid numbers, but if a company produces 400,000 units and only sold 200,000 of those units that honestly a pretty shit sell rate even if they technically sold more.
For sure I think that matters. Total investment cost in developing it and manufacturing facilities as well too. At least the Ioniq 6 sells well elsewhere. It’s more of a US flop, but I doubt they are thinking beyond their borders when it comes to worst automotive flop ever.
The Ioniq 6 is hideous.
Inspired by a computer mouse. IoniQ5 has a waiting list.
Looks like a piece of art to me. I’d make your argument in reverse about how ugly the 5 is, but different strokes for different folks. I catch more people checking it out and then come talk to me about it when I walk up to my Ioniq 6 than I ever did driving a Corvette. Public opinion seems that it’s nice, just too expensive for them. And for those that do want to invest in it, the 5 is more useful to most with the hatchback.
You’re comparing total sales, but a flop is about return on investment. How much did Hyundai spend on R&D and new tooling and manufacturing to create the 6, plus how much of that can be reused for other similar vehicles, plus what was the profit margin for the car, plus how many cars were built. Now, compare that to the Cybertruck that has likely very little reusability in manufacturing, all new tooling, tons of R&D, and tons of unsold cars.
So unless you have a lot of very specific knowledge, that’s going to be beyond the layman to do. This article didn’t cover any of those costs in its comparison beteeen the Edsel and the CT. They compared sales numbers. Anything else would be cool to know, but aren’t really important in terms of what was compared here.
EVs are now mostly skateboard designs, they can drop another body style on and off quickly.
most drivers in my area are asians, and right wingers. asians by them because they think have a tesla is an epitome of being bougie, thats why its as tasetless as SUPREME and is very ignorant of MUSK drama and politics.
