Does Ukraine really have a neo-Nazi problem? US officials won't say
forward.com
Some Jewish leaders and U.S. officials have pulled back their criticism of the Azov Brigade since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
  • Serdan@lemm.ee
    21·
    1 year ago

    You’ve added nothing to this conversation, despite what you think.

    Are you a mind reader?

    You’re the clown ass who keeps saying ‘source’ to things that have been sourced here numerous times. You’ve provided no sources to counter our claims.

    So when people make wild claims that contradict every news source available to me should I just accept it uncritically or I’m a lib?

    Sourced where? Am I supposed to just magically know?

    Is this what you think a productive conversation is? Smugly talking down to those you disagree with while providing no evidence, then accuse them of not wanting to have a conversation?

    You essentially called me a US puppet and worse a lib, so maybe get off your pedestal.

    I was fine with your Wikipedia source, but apparently you decided that was bad or something.

    We tried to engage with you and this is what you responded with. This is the behavior of every lib who has come on here recently.

    I tried to engage with you and was called a lib, lib.

      • Serdan@lemm.ee
        12·
        1 year ago

        So why did you immediately decide that I believe everything put out by the US State Department, just because I expressed the mildest exasperation at the lemmygrad discourse?

        Besides, I’ve been very clear on USA bad, so you know that much.

        • MCU_H8ER@lemmygrad.ml
          3·
          1 year ago

          I apologize for being harsh, but we have been brigaded by many people who do come and argue in bad faith.

          However, simply replying ‘source’ to things that are sourced within this post is going to make me think you’re arguing in bad faith.

          What is your understanding and position on this conflict? I am asking in earnest.

          • Serdan@lemm.ee
            13·
            1 year ago

            My position is that Russian troops marching into Ukraine and bombing Ukrainian cities constitutes an invasion and that Ukrainians obviously have an indisputable right to defend their homes.

            History didn’t start in 2022, but the invasion is a very clear escalation that is killing thousands of people. It’s fucking inexcusable.

            Putin is a psychopath billionaire who should go jump off a building. I hope that isn’t controversial.

              • Serdan@lemm.ee
                11·
                1 year ago

                People are dying. Could you at least pretend to care?

                Fucking shitlib Anericans, I swear…

                • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  2·
                  1 year ago

                  We do care. Thats why we want the war to end. We are against US/NATO who have kept Ukraine from negotiating peace with the Russian Federation. We want the people of the Donbas to leave Ukraine and join the Russian Federation like they’ve voted for, so they won’t be killed by Azov Nazis like they have been for the last 8 years.

                  • Serdan@lemm.ee
                    11·
                    1 year ago

                    You don’t get to claim territory militarily. It doesn’t fucking matter if people voted (and since when do you guys care about electoralism anyway?)

                    You’re seriously taking Putin’s justification for the war at face value? I know I shouldn’t expect much from Americans, but holy fucking shit. Let’s say it again for the dumb fucks in the room: Putin is a self-serving bastard. Nothing he says can be trusted. He’s not pursuing some noble goal of pushing back NATO, or whatever stupid shit you believe.

                    Ukraine is a sovereign nation and can negotiate peace whenever they want, but they’re not going to accept giving up territory that was taken militarily, because it sets a really fucking bad precedent. Every single state in the world would do exactly the same, including Russia incidentally. If Russia had a region with an ethnic Ukrainian majority do you think they would accept losing that territory? Get the fuck outta here.

                  • Serdan@lemm.ee
                    1·
                    1 year ago

                    BurgerPunk stated that they’re just here to mock me, so I’m responding in kind.

                    Getting offended on their behalf over cth-tier banter is pretty silly.