• Fuckass [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    war with nazi germany in which Russian people were sacrificed for Stalin’s mistakes

    Even if this was the case, wouldn’t this be the preferable to you know, being gassed to death or enslaved to build Aryan amusement parks?

    suppressed revolutionary socialist throughout world

    True, to an extent. The world’s communist movements were too reliant on the USSR and had an existential crisis when Kruschev denounced Stalin. Little independent thought can cause quite the chaos and destruction. Not to mention some of the instances where they worked against socialists to further their own agenda

    people starved while astronauts explored space

    Didn’t the live expectancy rise continually during its existence except during the wars and 1991?

    alliance with nazi germany

    It wasn’t an alliance. If we assume that Stalin was a psychopath and cynical, why would he have an ALLIANCE with Hitler when the Nazis and Hitler viewed Russians and Slavs as subhuman trash that’s only good for slavery and extermination?

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      I don’t think you can fully or mostly blame world communist movements for being reliant on the USSR. The USSR and other communist movements always face an uphill battle against centuries of propaganda, imperialism, and oppression. It makes sense that the most theoretically and technologically advanced and well-supplied and financially well-off country to foot the bill in order to spread socialism, though I agree that in certain circumstances the USSR did constrain movements and leaders too tightly.

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      True to an extent.

      I don’t know any M-Ls that won’t admit this when in discussion with other left tendencies (especially when it comes to Spain). I’d like to think Marxists have learned from past mistakes. It’d be nice if anarchists did the same so we could focus on the more immediate picture rather than on historical feuds between different factions a century ago.

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        Well in my experience, on this site anyway, there are people who have rationalization for every time the USSR pulled some shit on socialists in foreign countries

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          Can you give an example? I mean, providing context for a Soviet decision or elaborating on why the USSR did something doesn’t necessarily mean someone agrees with it.

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          What’s the difference between rationalising something and insisting on treating it in its historical and political economic context?

          I note as an aside that almost every time someone puts the Ukraine war into context, a lib will claim that this must be (uncritical) support for Russia/Putin. But one doesn’t necessarily follow the other. (I’m giving libs the benefit of the doubt here, as I don’t think most know the difference between critical and uncritical support.)

          How does one add nuance if those who’ve already come to a conclusion reject the nuance as rationalisation (apologia?) for leading to a revised conclusion.

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      Didn’t the live expectancy rise continually during its existence except during the wars and 1991?

      Actually, that’s the one point that isn’t accurate. The life expectancy stagnated since the 1970s, in the USSR and in Warsaw Pact states.

      However, countries like Cuba continued rising in life expectancy at a steady pace (except for 1991-1994 for some reason) famously to the point of beating the United States of America.