While right of center labour are far from huge in social investment.
If you worked during that time. Its gotta be pretty hard not to see how much better taxes were handled.
The NHS hugly improved after tories destruction before and dropped much much worse again under the tories since.
Same goes for the welfare safty net. Can’t say I love all that. As I feel working families should earn a wage that allows them to survive. And the net should be there for those that cannot. But under labour low income families had a much more reliable safty net to ensure childhood poverty was reduced. The tories destroyed it. To the point that it changed from hard to rent privately on that safty net. To close tonimpossible for huge parts of the nation.
And all of this sounds not so awful. If you think. OK but they are spending less of our money.
Except they are not. Pretty much every austerity measure has ended up costing them or you more. There inflation adjusted spending is higher.
This is a 4% cut on ni. Making up for what. How much more rent are you paying. Vat transport. Water, food.
What ever way you look at it. You are getting less for your money. The government inflation adjusted tota, spendingbis higher. And they have hugly moved taxation from those benifiting/profiting from that spending. To the working people they have removed the services from.
The two ideas I’d raise in response would be to point to the early 2000s when people generally felt more prosperous because the economy was being well managed and was growing and taxes were well spent till provide (more) effective services.
Secondly, at the logical conclusion of your argument everything would be privatised and there would be no government, but that would only be good for the mega rich who would be able to do what they want
You’re acting like those cuts will not be taken from those services that aren’t doing well and they won’t just become even worse while the things that don’t profit you will stay the same.
Hell, if a 4% cut is 100£ a month it means you’re making 30k£ a year, you’re the person that should be asking for more taxation because you’ll be the first one who will need to use safety nets!
Over the last ten years I’ve lived in a van, waited on NHS waiting lists for longer than 12 months whilst I bled from the arse, had an abscess rot my jaw away and had the pleasure of paying a landlord £1K a month for a shitty and freezing cold flat. All this for someone that’s never been unemployed from the age of 16.
And if you think cutting taxes will make it better then you’re hopeless.
An extra 100£ per month wouldn’t have stopped your ass from bleeding or fixed your abscess, but cutting taxes will mean that it will take even longer to get the services that already take too long to get.
People like you never win when taxes are cut, but people like you are also gullible enough to believe conservatives when they tell them cutting taxes will improve their life.
Because all the taxes I’ve paid so far have been so worth it.
If you want people to be inspired to pay more tax. Show them something for their money.
Cool, so lets elect a party that doesn’t use tax payer money to line their own pockets
Yes, you’ve paid so much tax, are you not pissed off that the Tories are stealing it? And £100 is all it costs to buy you out?
So you don’t trust Labour to be responsible with your taxes because a different party wasn’t responsible with your taxes?
Eh?
You seem like the type of person who is determined to be grumpy no matter what.
You question ma,es me ask your age.
While right of center labour are far from huge in social investment.
If you worked during that time. Its gotta be pretty hard not to see how much better taxes were handled.
The NHS hugly improved after tories destruction before and dropped much much worse again under the tories since.
Same goes for the welfare safty net. Can’t say I love all that. As I feel working families should earn a wage that allows them to survive. And the net should be there for those that cannot. But under labour low income families had a much more reliable safty net to ensure childhood poverty was reduced. The tories destroyed it. To the point that it changed from hard to rent privately on that safty net. To close tonimpossible for huge parts of the nation.
And all of this sounds not so awful. If you think. OK but they are spending less of our money.
Except they are not. Pretty much every austerity measure has ended up costing them or you more. There inflation adjusted spending is higher.
This is a 4% cut on ni. Making up for what. How much more rent are you paying. Vat transport. Water, food.
What ever way you look at it. You are getting less for your money. The government inflation adjusted tota, spendingbis higher. And they have hugly moved taxation from those benifiting/profiting from that spending. To the working people they have removed the services from.
I think you have a totally reasonable point.
The two ideas I’d raise in response would be to point to the early 2000s when people generally felt more prosperous because the economy was being well managed and was growing and taxes were well spent till provide (more) effective services.
Secondly, at the logical conclusion of your argument everything would be privatised and there would be no government, but that would only be good for the mega rich who would be able to do what they want
You’re acting like those cuts will not be taken from those services that aren’t doing well and they won’t just become even worse while the things that don’t profit you will stay the same.
Hell, if a 4% cut is 100£ a month it means you’re making 30k£ a year, you’re the person that should be asking for more taxation because you’ll be the first one who will need to use safety nets!
Over the last ten years I’ve lived in a van, waited on NHS waiting lists for longer than 12 months whilst I bled from the arse, had an abscess rot my jaw away and had the pleasure of paying a landlord £1K a month for a shitty and freezing cold flat. All this for someone that’s never been unemployed from the age of 16.
Safety nets? Away with your pish.
And if you think cutting taxes will make it better then you’re hopeless.
An extra 100£ per month wouldn’t have stopped your ass from bleeding or fixed your abscess, but cutting taxes will mean that it will take even longer to get the services that already take too long to get.
People like you never win when taxes are cut, but people like you are also gullible enough to believe conservatives when they tell them cutting taxes will improve their life.
You can’t blame someone for being disenfranchised after being in a lose/lose situation the last ten years.