If you donāt earn over a million dollars a year then itās obvious that Biden is the right choice
The guy who broke the strike of an absurdly profitable rail company?
I mean itās a choice between open contempt for the workers, and open contempt, but occasionally putting on a union hat for a photo op before either doing nothing or siding with management.
If you actually look at the details of the story youāre taking about youāll find that after Biden ordered them back to work he then ALSO got the train companies to give the workers everything the union had been asking for
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute
Thanks for posting and explaining some of this. I also had the mistaken impression that he just had forced them all back to work. It never sat right with me. I wasnāt aware that a lot of things happened after that.
In September 2022, U.S. Senators Richard Burr and Roger Wicker introduced a bill that would have required labor unions to agree to the terms proposed by the Presidential Emergency Board, to prevent a strike.[18] It was blocked by Senator Bernie Sanders, who noted that freight rail workers receive a āgrand total of zero sick daysā while railroad companies made significant profits.[19] In the House of Representatives, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, āWeād rather see negotiations prevail so thereās no need for any actions from Congress.ā[16]
In late November, after some unions had rejected the agreement, Biden asked Congress to pass the agreement into law. On November 30, the House of Representatives passed the existing tentative agreement along with an amended version that would require railroad employers to ensure 7 days paid sick leave.[20] On December 1, the Senate passed the tentative agreement with only 1 day of sick leave.[21] President Joe Biden signed the legislation into law on December 2.[4] Writing for Jacobin, Barry Eidlin, associate professor of sociology at McGill University, said the message sent to the rail workers by the president and Congress was āshut up and get back to work.ā[22] The Biden administrationās intervention in the dispute was condemned by over 500 labor historians in an open letter to Joe Biden and Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh.[23]
Sounds like Bernie went to bat for them, and then Biden forced a compromise the industry wanted but most unions disagreed withā¦
I mean, Biden got them a single sick day when they were only asking for 7 days.
Thatās not a great win for unions, thatās a middle finger.
Itās literally the smallest amount of sick days they could have so they could stop saying āwe do t get sick daysā.
And a cynic would say the only reason they got the one is āwe donāt have enough sick daysā doesnāt Garner as much sympathy in a headline.
But Iām just going off what you linked, do you want to try and find one that does back up your version of events?
The unions wanted 15 sick days, Biden forced them to accept the companyās offer of 1 day unpaid sickleave. Later it was increased to 7, plus a wage increase of 14%+4.5% per year for 5 years. That doesnāt even keep up with inflation.
Biden could have simply ordered the railroad to accept the unionās demands, hell he could have nationalized the rail companies in question, but his job is to represent capital, not labor.
To put into perspective how much of a pittance this is, BNSF is so profitable, they could afford to give every worker a raise of 100,000 and still afford to give Warren Buffet a billion dollars every year. This is the equivalent of Trump giving the .1% billions in tax breaks and telling workers they should support him because they get an extra 12 bucks in their tax returns.
Dude you just moved the goalposts a million lightyears away from what you said in your original comment.
Secondly, YOU donāt get to decide what the rail unionās opinion on the matter is, only the rail union can speak for the rail union, and theyāve all publicly said how very happy they are with the outcome of Bidenās actions
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/01/railroad-workers-union-win-sick-leave
I cannot conceive of how the leadership could both represent their workers and be happy Biden sided with the board, against the workers.
Because thatās not what happened.
He literally required them to accept the boardās offer. The company offering minor concessions afterword doesnāt change the fact that he sided against the workers.
Biden could have simply ordered the railroad to accept the unionās demands
Ah yes, the āpresident has a magic wandā theory of governance.
It is, in fact, not quite as simple as Iām trying to make it sound, and there are some things to complain about in what Biden did. Hereās a pretty good summary of the āBiden did wrongā thesis.
My take on it is that Biden launched legislation to grant them 7 days of sick leave by law. It passed the house on a party-line vote, and then failed in the senate by 8 votes. When the senate passed an amended version that would grant 1 day of sick leave, what would you want Biden to do? Assuming he doesnāt have the ability to just ignore the law and order the rail companies to give the benefits he thinks they should be giving, because we donāt have a command economy under the total authority of one person?
Hereās a partial summary of what Bidenās labor department had done by working the issue after the fuss had died down in the rest of government. Itās complicated by the fact that there are multiple companies and multiple unions all with separate agreements, but my overall take is that it looks like heās been trying to balance securing justice for the workers, with what he can get the rest of government to cooperate with, with keeping the economy running and not grinding to a halt.
Honestly, the point of view that he should have let the economy grind to a halt if thatās what the people who actually do the work want to have happen, in order to secure some economic justice for themselves, I can understand that. It makes sense to me. Honestly, that is more or less my personal point of view on it. But I think calling him a shockingly anti-union US president because he wonāt do that is overstating how pro-union people in US politics tend to be.
There were 458,900 workers involved in work stoppages in 2023, notably including the even-more-unprecedented-than-the-rail-strike motion picture strike and the autoworkers strike. You can believe, if you want to, that Biden is anti-union and he just overlooked his responsibility to shut down the 458,900 people who did work stoppages in 2023. Personally my feeling is that he shut down the rail strike because it would have a big impact on the rest of the economy, then his labor department kept working the issue and got the workers the sick days they were fighting for in the first place by having the strike.
Is your assertion here that United Steelworkers just fucked up and endorsed a rabidly anti-union candidate because theyāre not as up to speed on labor issues as you are?
Is your assertion here that United Steelworkers just fucked up and endorsed a rabidly anti-union candidate because theyāre not as up to speed on labor issues as you are?
I really appreciate the āyou really think youāre smarter than the people whose job it is to do this?ā Energy being exuded here. Spot on.
I had no idea he negotiated to get them the things they wanted afterwards, thank you for sharing that. I was completely unaware
What the fuck is going on in the comments here?
Itās even worse here.
Literally the topic of the OP article is āIf you look at what the economic situation is for workers in the US, itās almost as good as it was pre-Covid which is a goddamned miracle. Itās not perfect, still a lot of people are struggling, but $15/hr being the new more-or-less entry level minimum wage and some increased union membership has produced real progress especially at the bottom end of the scale, when a lot of first-world economies are still struggling to dig themselves out even back to normal. Wage inequality is down, unemployment is the lowest itās been in decades, etc etc, Biden deserves some credit for that. Here are detailed citations to back all that up. Itās weird that thatās not the popular perception.ā
Then, go look at the comments and read them through. Itās literally a nonstop tide of rando user accounts saying ābut inflation stacks year on year, they donāt know basic mathā and āthey just think stocks going up means the economyās better, they donāt care people are hurtingā and āmy grocery bill is high things are real bad, Iām suffering, this articleās not true.ā Itās almost impossible to read the comments front to back and hold on in your head to the fact that theyāre objectively wrong. Itās like Goebbelsās propaganda theory in real time ā if you grab out one individual comment and analyze it and really think about it, compare it to evidence, it falls apart. But looking at them all together it really looks like thereās this groundswell of opinion. It also makes it more or less impossible to actually have a conversation about the article because it gets swarmed with people talking discouraging nonsense and being apparently incapable of absorbing anything different.
holy smokes ur right, itās so bad (or maybe im so weak willed) that i genuinely canāt tell if you are the one full of b.s. or not (no offense to you im just trippin out over this)
I am biased, because I think Iām right and they are wrong, but to me it is instructive to look at an example like this
It removes it from that flood-of-unopposed-propaganda world and puts it into a more manageable context, like here are questions, and hereās how people answer the questions or not.
thanks, i do see what you are saying
after much lip biting and teeth grinding i posted a comment which represents my position which i hope isnāt too enlightened centrist. you at least seem good faith so iād appreciate your opinion lol
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The 1.2 million-member union, which also backed Biden in 2020 over Trump, represents workers in auto supply, glass, rubber, chemicals, pulp and paper, mining and other industries.
Union President David McCall said Bidenās leadership allowed workers to carve out more room for bargaining and better support for the middle class.
āHis vision and leadership allowed our nation to strengthen workersā access to collective bargaining, grow the middle class, and embark on a path to widespread prosperity.ā
Biden has touted himself as the āmost pro-union president in American historyā and gotten backing from various labor unions, including the United Auto Workers, SEIU and the AFL-CIO.
McCall added that Trump has not reached out to him and the former presidentās campaign didnāt even respond to its issues survey they sent out to all prospective presidential candidates in both parties.
The unionās leaders met with Biden last week while also previously meeting with third-party candidates Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Cornel West.
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