There is no ethical consumption. Just enjoy yourself.
The problem I see with that thinking is that there are different levels of what can be considered unethical, but it usually gives the idea of “since it’s all unethical, it’s all the same”. For example, buying something from a smaller company is usually much better than from a big one that uses slave labor.
What if you buy from a small Mom&Pop business that uses slave labor? Is that worse because the culpability is less diluted?
Well, I don’t know what a mom&pop is, but generally speaking, if a business employs slave labor, I think it’s terrible, no matter the size. Dilution of responsibility is something complex to consider, but making an analogy, I think a mafia boss isn’t less responsible for a crime because they just ordered it, but didn’t do the act or know how it was going to be done.
By the way, from my experience here in Brazil, slave labor usually happens either in big corporations or in hidden places ran by criminals under the use of force. Smaller businesses in the open rarely do it.
Mom & Pop is a(n American?) colloquialism referring to small, frequently family-owned-and-operated businesses. They may not be as likely to use shady ‘I can’t believe it’s not slave labor’ practices, but they frequently have other, very glaring issues such as shitty pay, treating you like an outsider if you’re not family, and covering up the bad behavior of anyone who is.
so how much Bitcoin do you spend per year on child prostitutes?
(edit: /s because hedonism is not a valid argument)
When did you stop beating women?
This is why AI-created content will win the day. No complicated moral or ethical quandaries to navigate. Oh, except electricity usage. And copyright issues. And diminishing the value of human art and artists. And the possibility of skynet ending humanity.
Looks like it’s back to scratching rough drawings into the dirt for me…
And AI invariably becomes bigoted as it is based upon human failings.
But more easily correctable than a human too
LOL… you think so?
My problem with this is that the vast majority of times. Works of art are not the works of a singular person. However, because a single bad person was in it or involved in its production. Some people view viewing that work work as supporting that bad person. For example: how many people worked on the movie space jam? I try to avoid things produced by bad people as much as possible, but you also have to look at the scope of the works involved. If the studio itself was involved in such an incident. That would be enough to justify boycotting the entire studio. If it was a singular person, then I expect that person to no longer be allowed in future works, but not a call for the the total avoidance of current and past works.
Is Weird Al the only acceptable musician?
I’ve only heard good things about Dolly Parton
No, you can still listen to Bathory as well.
I’ve heard Abbath is a pretty decent guy. Adam Darski seems okay. Brandon Smalls is cool.
I think he and Tom Hanks started a cult …
Shouldn’t Space Jam get tossed in the R Kelly panel?
I can’t let this fly.
Also Michael Jordan was apparently a real asshole.
Being an asshole isn’t enough, you just need to not be a rapist or rape supporter.
Fun fact btw: Michael Jordan’s father admitted to raping Michael’s sister repeatedly.
The father Michael called “his rock” after his death.
So, you know. Close enough, even if other allegations aren’t true.
I believe it can fly. I believe it can touch the sky.
Either that or the Bill Murray panel cause he’s in it too.
I’ve been watching James May’s travel and cooking shows. Haven’t heard anything terrible about him, other than being Br*t*sh.
Anyone who can stand being in the same room as Clarkson for 45 minutes must be a wrong’un.
Can’t agree there. I’ve had plenty of coworkers who were worse than Clarkson. Hell, I have family members worse than him.
By that logic, I’d be a far worse person than James May. Which I might be, but that’s beside the point.
Except you don’t choose your family, and probably have no control over who you work with, which definitely isn’t the case for May who has actively chosen to stand by Clarkson and their joint brand because, if nothing else, the heaps of money it makes him matter more than not supporting a violent asshole who abuses your other co-workers (or as they see them - “staff”).
Look at it from another perspective: Anyone who had to spend as much time with Clarkson as him has a 5 star room reserved in heaven with a free buffet and open bar.
He does regularly call him a complete arse though
James May is the only decent person on TV. I will fight anyone who says otherwise
In my mind, he’s in the same category as Bob Ross, Alex Trebek, and folks like that
I say otherwise: there is at least one other decent person on TV.
He made this way too easy for you.
Still waiting for the fight.
Sorry my train was delayed. We can meet outside the Starbucks in 10?
Sorry, wasn’t on Lemmy right then. I don’t wanna fight in the rain, can we try for Sunday afternoon?
Ehm… I guess. Can we at least agree after lunch? My mum’s making a roast.
Hey Bim, guess what!
Related thought: when does it come back to being ethical consumption? I haven’t checked but I would bet a range of historical artists and musicians were also real dicks. But obviously we dont care much about that, the art has successfully detached from the artist. Or better, the artist has detached from his misdeeds.
What do you suppose is the timeframe for that?
At least long enough that you’re not giving money directly to the person who did the bad thing.
Definitely once it’s in the public domain, or for all the people impacted to be dead.There’s also a timeframe over which we can recognize that there has been sufficient drift in morality that we can overlook some things.
By the standards of his era, it was not okay for Roman Polanski to drug and rape a 13 year old.
There are certainly artists that had wives that, by modern standards, were disgustingly young but contemporary standards found unremarkable. Easier to fault the standards than a person who was perfectly normal for the time.This, but also people who insist an artists’ actions can simply be separated from their art love to ignore the sheer discomfort some of us actually get from seeing or hearing rapists and abusers and their work.
Consuming their media isn’t isn’t just about funding them, it’s also about supporting not only their existence in our media, but their glorification by that media that in many cases enabled the abuse in the first place (putting people on a pedestal and beyond reproach never ends well).
some say it’s statutory i say it’s mandatory
Actual line from Kid Rock’s contribution to Space Jam sound track.
Yes, we should just burn Hollywood and stop lionizing the rich and famous.
Agreed we should burn hollywood and stop lionizing the rich and famous, but it has nothing to do with song lyrics. Go back to the 90’s and clutch pearls with the PMRC.
Why don’t you have a seat over there.
This is Kid Rock. His song lyrics don’t exist in a vacuum. We know what he’s about.
The art versus the artist. I don’t’ give the slightest fuck what the artist is about because it has no bearing on the enjoyment of the art.
Neither the art nor the artist are exactly great here. The lyrics explicitly condone statutory rape
Damn and NWA sang about fucking the police as well as statutory rape and murder. Maybe a good compromise is for you to stick to gospel music, or maybe even Islamic non-vocal percussion music and I’ll enjoy what I want. So I repeat my request, go clutch your pearls in the dustbin of history.
So you are saying Jordan Peele murdered someone? Assuming he did, I don’t see how that diminishes the artistic merit of Get Out or why that would matter to anyone’s enjoyment of the Kay and Peele skits.
Imagine defending Kid Rock… He isn’t even good music…
Imagine thinking the point has anything to do with any specific artist, or the quality of their music.
Support indie film makers. I love watching short films in Omeleto.
No way! I’m not falling in love with them just to find out in ten years that they’re assholes too!
They probably made an off color joke on Twitter ten years ago. Can’t take the chance.
Quite the nihilistic approach
Omeleto ?
Like this but japanese ?
I guess that would be omuretto, because of the /l/ and /r/ homogenity.
It’s omuretsu, but the choosing l vs r can also be seen as a stylistic choice. While the romaji systems in Japan use r exclusively (as far as I know), some places like France use l over r because of how different the French r sound is. So in Paris they have lamen shops instead of ramen. Also I’ve seen Japanese people living in the US spell their names with an l instead of an r, like Leiko vs Reiko for example.
オムレツ
There’s no reason to assume they’re any less awful than the non-indie film makers. They’re just less well known.
Yes, that is true, but you get a lot of choices. Unlike the mainstream industry, which is filled with nepo babies.
I had no idea Omeleto existed. Looks like I’ve got a few weekends of watching their vids ahead of me!
Tom Hanks movies are still safe, right?
He once smiled at the cashier when getting groceries, but it was only a polite smile.
Pretty sure that’s the worst he’s ever done.
That and Keanu movies.
Including the kitten one.
Back when people were dunking on Bieber, he happily banded on the hate train which always sat wrong with me.
He acted with Tim Allen in the Toy Story movies. Better steer clear just in case.
famous dude
oh they don’t need to be famous honey.
and the women are so bad we don’t dare write about it.
best throw everything in the bin just to be safe.
I’m an asshole sometimes so I throw anything I make in the trash
Are they getting money from you watching or listening to it? If not, don’t worry about it.
Do it, fuck 'em. There are lots of other artists waiting to be seen.
Do you know H.P. Lovecraft was a nazi? I was kindof devistated when I found out.
To clarify, he was absolutely racist with really reactionary views. He wasn’t a Nazi.
I’m not defending him, but I also think it’s worth being clear about who was and wasn’t a Nazi when discussing those alive during the Nazi Party.
For anyone curious, this letter (sorry for linking that site on lemmy, best source i could find) has him discussing Hitler in 1933. It’s far more positive than I’d ever defend, but it’s also pretty clear he’s not a Nazi. He saw Nazism as the lesser of two evils compared to Bolshevism. I think that’s a fucking bad take, but I don’t think someone who says
“Still—don’t get my wrong. I’m not saying that Schön[e] Adolf is anything more than a lesser evil… When the Germans can get another leader, & emerge from the present period of arbitrary fanaticism, his usefulness will be over.”
is a Nazi. He was just a good ol’ New England reactionary racist.
This video essay also has some really great insight into discussing the reactionary nature of Lovecraft from a leftist standpoint while still recognizing his literary contributions.
One eery thing though is that in one of his books he described police placing “fish people” into concentration camps, this being right before the Holocaust.
Obviously racists will come up with similar end goals, and it’s not like concentration camps didn’t exist before, but it’s still feels like a bizarre coincidence.
Yeah, there is definitely an eeriness. The tone taken for the Deep Ones / fish people in The Shadow Over Innsmouth is really genocidal. The story was penned in 1930-31 though, so inspired by prior concentration camps
If the artist earns money in any way from your support, then yeah, you’re enabling their behavior. If you condemn Rowling for transphobia but keep buying official Harry Potter shit, then you’re telling her that her transphobia isn’t really a problem to you. If you are pretty sure that Brian Warner has sexually assaulted multiple intimate partners, but you still buy albums and go to concerts, you’re saying that you relaly don’t think that’s as important as you getting to enjoy his music.
You can draw your own lines. What bad behavior do you not condone, but isn’t bad enough to prevent you from handing them your money?
Once they’re dead, whatever; you’re no longer supporting 'em, so it’s not a problem.
As for art being collaborative - sure. But. You’re still supporting the bad behavior. The people that were getting an hourly wage for working on a film, etc., already got paid, long before you forked over your cash for a ticket. The people that are going to lose money are the producers. And maybe, just maybe, if they keep losing money whenever they have a particular star in their films–like, say, Amber Heard, or Jared Leto–then maybe, just maybe, they’ll stop casting those people.
