In practical terms it’s a very silly issue because it’s not even a territory where anybody lives or has much intrinsic value. I definitely expect they will find a way to resolve the issue the same way USSR and China eventually resolved their dispute. It’s becoming increasingly evident that India now realizes that aligning with the west isn’t going to be productive, and that necessarily means they need to resolve their issues with China.
A big problem is that if any political party would hint at ceding any land in the disputed Arunachal Pradesh area, the other political parties would rail on them for being unpatriotic. As such it is an endless game of strongman posturing for useless territory.
Not sure what things are like on China’s end. Maybe they don’t want to kowtow a country that has been hostile towards them. Apart from that I have no guesses.
This is basically why the whole thing has gone on as long as it has. China and India need to find a compromise that isn’t going to look politically weak for either side.
If they wanted to have an amicable agreement, China could keep Aksai China and India could keep at least most of Arunachal Pradesh. I actually don’t know what the geography of the disputed AP territory is but Aksai Chin is useful for China because it connects Tibet to Xinjiang.
If Pakistan had Imran khan and India had kinda Lula like figure the problem of Kashmir and Laddakh would have been solved in a month. Its pretty easy make Kashmir a joint administered region and make the LOC , the true border between India and China, Case closed forever.
Yeah, in order for there to be a negotiated settlement the Indian side has to be willing to deviate from its position of “We get everything we want and you get nothing you want” that its assumed to chase votes. China does have a recent track record of resolving pointless border disputes like the long-running one with Russia back in the 1990s. Both sides just have to come to the table and be reasonable about it, but that’s not likely to happen if the Indian media keep claiming that the Indian Army killed 900 trillion PLA soldiers in 2020.
Crusaders and Muslim soldiers getting ready to each lose another 200,000 men trying to attack/hold Jerusalem for the 2,736 time this month because their magical sky person has decreed it.
Yes, the Bible states that Israel was given by God to Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac as a promised land in return for their worship. From this, Jesus is a descendant of those men and his birth and most pivotal life moments center roughly on the city. His cruxafiction happened just outside the city, and his church the Holy Sepulchre, built on his site of cruxafiction is so Holy to even muslims that all of the Islamic generals/leaders during all of the Crusade refused to enter it or damage it in any way.
Jerusalem is incredibly important to the Christian and Jewish faiths.
Meanwhile, for the Islamic faith, Jerusalem is the thrid holiest city behind Mecca and Medina. In the Quran Mohammad is transported and flown to the city on his Night Journey to Al-Asqa and Heaven.
Jerusalem is incredibly important to the Islamic faith.
The Papacy has long declared the importance of Jerusalem, and Popes were the ones to instigate many of the Crusades. They do this because of how central the city is to the religion
On the other side, because of how vital it is to Islam, a large amount of Caliphs and generals throughout the centuries centered on the city for its religious importance and to solidify regional power.
Both sides viewed controlling the city as the highest holy matter.
India and China both have nationalistic claims , India wants aksai Chin back and China have friends in Pakistan and wants Arunachal Pradesh . I say stay where you are and lets fix the border but hey we have so many pro west idiots and nazis .
Frankly its a problem not between India and China alone , Pakistan is also there . As long they harbors pro Talibani anti hindu extremists the problem will be there in the sub continent for a long time. Also , India has weak people regarding geopolitics much of them are pro white suckers from colonial times.
I don’t like the Taliban, but doesn’t India have a ton of anti-Muslim extremists as well? I’m not saying Pakistan shouldn’t root out anti-Hindu extremists – it should! – but it seems like an issue of both sides feeling threatened and that feeling facilitating escalation. Please correct me if I am mistaken, since you know much more about this.
Our extremists happened recently post 2014 and are not funded by US or any superpower . Taliban has a history of well organized battles, funding and fundamentalism more than 40 years.
This is why nationalism is stupid. They could easily make it a free travel zone where Chinese and Indians could go there without restriction. But I think it’s mostly inhabitable land anyway so making it militarized makes sense
Just settle the border issues and be done with it. China doesn’t need Indian territories and India doesn’t need Chinese territories.
In practical terms it’s a very silly issue because it’s not even a territory where anybody lives or has much intrinsic value. I definitely expect they will find a way to resolve the issue the same way USSR and China eventually resolved their dispute. It’s becoming increasingly evident that India now realizes that aligning with the west isn’t going to be productive, and that necessarily means they need to resolve their issues with China.
A big problem is that if any political party would hint at ceding any land in the disputed Arunachal Pradesh area, the other political parties would rail on them for being unpatriotic. As such it is an endless game of strongman posturing for useless territory.
Not sure what things are like on China’s end. Maybe they don’t want to kowtow a country that has been hostile towards them. Apart from that I have no guesses.
This is basically why the whole thing has gone on as long as it has. China and India need to find a compromise that isn’t going to look politically weak for either side.
If they wanted to have an amicable agreement, China could keep Aksai China and India could keep at least most of Arunachal Pradesh. I actually don’t know what the geography of the disputed AP territory is but Aksai Chin is useful for China because it connects Tibet to Xinjiang.
China already essentially made that offer, but it was rejected by the Indian side.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-64870707
Although, the Indian claim the offer was never made.
So hopefully, fingers crossed, this finally gets agreed upon as it’s clearly the best solution.
If Pakistan had Imran khan and India had kinda Lula like figure the problem of Kashmir and Laddakh would have been solved in a month. Its pretty easy make Kashmir a joint administered region and make the LOC , the true border between India and China, Case closed forever.
That would be sensible, we’ll see what they end up settling on.
Yeah, in order for there to be a negotiated settlement the Indian side has to be willing to deviate from its position of “We get everything we want and you get nothing you want” that its assumed to chase votes. China does have a recent track record of resolving pointless border disputes like the long-running one with Russia back in the 1990s. Both sides just have to come to the table and be reasonable about it, but that’s not likely to happen if the Indian media keep claiming that the Indian Army killed 900 trillion PLA soldiers in 2020.
Imagine letting 24 people die over a piece of land that nobody lives in.
Medieval mfs be like: “I will now sacrifice 5 million men to take over this land full of rocks because it appears in my holy book”
Crusaders and Muslim soldiers getting ready to each lose another 200,000 men trying to attack/hold Jerusalem for the 2,736 time this month because their magical sky person has decreed it.
Does either religion actually decree it?
Yes, the Bible states that Israel was given by God to Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac as a promised land in return for their worship. From this, Jesus is a descendant of those men and his birth and most pivotal life moments center roughly on the city. His cruxafiction happened just outside the city, and his church the Holy Sepulchre, built on his site of cruxafiction is so Holy to even muslims that all of the Islamic generals/leaders during all of the Crusade refused to enter it or damage it in any way.
Jerusalem is incredibly important to the Christian and Jewish faiths.
Meanwhile, for the Islamic faith, Jerusalem is the thrid holiest city behind Mecca and Medina. In the Quran Mohammad is transported and flown to the city on his Night Journey to Al-Asqa and Heaven.
Jerusalem is incredibly important to the Islamic faith.
Cue the 8 billion Crusades
Yes, I get that it’s important, but I don’t think you established that the religions actually mandate control of Jerusalem.
The Papacy has long declared the importance of Jerusalem, and Popes were the ones to instigate many of the Crusades. They do this because of how central the city is to the religion
On the other side, because of how vital it is to Islam, a large amount of Caliphs and generals throughout the centuries centered on the city for its religious importance and to solidify regional power.
Both sides viewed controlling the city as the highest holy matter.
India and China both have nationalistic claims , India wants aksai Chin back and China have friends in Pakistan and wants Arunachal Pradesh . I say stay where you are and lets fix the border but hey we have so many pro west idiots and nazis .
Hopefully as BRICS becomes more important to India that will in turn put pressure on actually resolving the dispute.
Frankly its a problem not between India and China alone , Pakistan is also there . As long they harbors pro Talibani anti hindu extremists the problem will be there in the sub continent for a long time. Also , India has weak people regarding geopolitics much of them are pro white suckers from colonial times.
I don’t like the Taliban, but doesn’t India have a ton of anti-Muslim extremists as well? I’m not saying Pakistan shouldn’t root out anti-Hindu extremists – it should! – but it seems like an issue of both sides feeling threatened and that feeling facilitating escalation. Please correct me if I am mistaken, since you know much more about this.
Our extremists happened recently post 2014 and are not funded by US or any superpower . Taliban has a history of well organized battles, funding and fundamentalism more than 40 years.
the anglos forever forcing the rest of the world to take the Ls meant for them.
This is why nationalism is stupid. They could easily make it a free travel zone where Chinese and Indians could go there without restriction. But I think it’s mostly inhabitable land anyway so making it militarized makes sense