• aliteral@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    As a South American who had to choose between right and extreme right, being a leftist, I completely understand the frustration about voting Biden. And what’s more, agree completely he does not deserve to be voted. But, in order to defeat fascism and with all other cards now played, Biden is the lesser of two evils and taking the moral high ground could result on fascism taking over the USA. I suggest voting for Biden. My two cents…

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      3 months ago

      He’s not the lesser of two evils. Cut this horseshit rhetoric. Biden has done a good job. No-one is perfect but calling him evil is just right wing propaganda both sides bullshit.

      Trump is evil. If you want to see evil, vote Trump.

  • Optional@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Hey, if tankies were gonna vote for Biden to thwart trump, we wouldn’t have a problem. It’s that most that I’ve seen explicitly say they won’t. And they advocate that people shouldn’t. So - i don’t get it.

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          Im not the one to decide this. Its up to a party to elaborate the decision. As far as i can see, you should have a candidate that represents working people as a class. Its this interest that should be in the center of any left wing politician. And no, identitarism is not the intesrest of the working class. That being said, no man of the system will ever represent the working class, you need an authentic option. And yes, it means a communist option inevitably, but thats another discussion (why any other political position will be insufficient in the long run). But to even think about this is absurd to most usamericans

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            No shit, Sherlock.

            But what are you going to specifically do come November? What specific outcome do you see if others don’t vote for Biden because he doesn’t pass your purity test? Do you see this outcome being good for the country, good for workers, or good for marginalized peoples?

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              You just called doing a genocide “not passing a purity test” ffs i dont need to talk to you

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                3 months ago

                And you just said “doing a genocide.” If it helps, the only people that think that’s edgy are other people just like you.

                And that isn’t a compliment.

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                  3 months ago

                  Sorry if i dont express myself so well in my third language. If you think the phrasing is the important part, id suggest you talk to a baby or something, not to me

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        See that makes it sound like you’re getting called out on much more anti-voting sounding commentary than the above stated point of view

        An image that isn’t helped by the fact that the post makes it seem that you are completely oblivious to how often tankies try to start fights defending the choice to abandon the most vulnerable for the sake of some bougie kid socialism accelerationist shit.

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          I never advocate anti-voting rhetoric, but think any and all means should be used to defend a socialist revolution once it has occurred. The only thing i want ro accelerate is class conciousness, which must be achieved before a revolution can begin to occur, most humans are too brainwashed by Capitalist propaganda for that revolution to be successful.

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            but think any and all means should be used to defend a socialist revolution once it has occurred.

            You would kill and imprison those that would vote differently or disagree with your revolution? That’s exactly why all those revolutions in Russia, China, N Korea etc failed. As someone who Trends anarcho communist I am down for some communism. But you Marxist leninists never learn.

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                They aren’t socialist anymore. And they aren’t communist now either. They’re state capitalist. That seems to be a solid failure. Even the party isn’t holding regular elections for many of the posts. Xi jinping has moved back into the Forbidden City and is basically their de facto new emperor. Enriching his bourgeoisie friends. While throwing miniscule amounts of scrap towards the proletariat. Sounds pretty failed to me. And likely to lead to heavy class strife soon since they failed the class war. But please do go ahead and continue to flail and cope uselessly.

                It’s extremely telling that that was what and how you chose to respond. Not addressing the fact that you would kill and slaughter everyone who disagrees with you.

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                  Bruh i literally identify as a tankie im not naive enough to think we can vote away the oppression of the ruling class lmao

  • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    “Neoliberal shill” who has achieved more leftist policy goals in three and a half years than all US leftists combined have in the last 30.

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      Undoing fascist rules put in by the previous resident does not count as achieving “leftist policy goals”; implementation of permanent law does.

      Meanwhile, people have lost abortion rights, the rule of law has basically been suspended for potential coup participants. So yeah, I’m just gonna say we’re not doing well. Meanwhile, I’m still going to vote Biden no matter what. We’ve already lost the democracy, but I’m going to delay the implementation of the far right authoritarian state for as long as possible.

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          Do you really feel that this is a relevant thing to say to someone who says they’re voting for biden even if he’s 6ft underground?

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    3 months ago

    Lol the post you made this as a response to literally has tankies calling themselves tankies and stating that they will not vote for Biden.

    Seethe harder.