Getting mad at people for not being willing to condone a genocide is a really wild take to me.
If you’re saying that genocide over there is okay so that genocide over here doesn’t happen as quickly then I don’t really know how to argue that.
We got to this point because the Democrats themselves have been toothless for much of the last 25 years, and prop up the same system that the Republicans are fast tracking even more. The dems did not lose this election just because of the Gaza vote, they lost it because they wouldn’t listen to or support the regular people on the street. Dems had the chance to enshrine things into law - they controlled senate and house for the first two years of Biden. They did not codify any protections for trans rights or abortion rights, then used both as a fundraising event.
Over 50% of white men and women voted for Trump this time around.
So instead of getting mad at people who could not conscientiously condone a genocide, why not get mad and dismantle a system wherein a few billionaires get to buy the entire world and commit genocides on a massive scale? The US has been bombing half the world for almost its entire history. That doesn’t change because Republicans are in power or Democrats are in power.
The current system is between ultra rich and everyone else. If everyone else keeps shitting on each other that won’t change.
You’ve had two chances to acknowledge that there have been several domestic genocides added in the U.S. and you have not been willing to, so I think you should be asking that question of yourself.
I’m sure if trump gets his way, a lot more people will be hurt in the states as well.
You are asking thousands of people in the US to walk over their families and relatives dead bodies in order to vote for someone who allowed and helped their murder to happen.
Trump won by almost 3 million popular votes. If everyone who stayed home because of the genocide in Gaza voted for Harris, she still would not have won.
Media has focused on those voters, black and latino voters, brown voters, etc. Why have they not focused on the fact that a majority of white males and a majority of white men voted for Trump? When they know he is actively eroding their rights?
What people get mad at you about is your insistence that checking the box next to somebody’s name on a ballot is a gesture of 100% support for everything on their agenda and everything they have ever done.
The genocide over there and everywhere else is not okay. The fact that the US supports it and does tons of imperialist shit is not okay.
I voted for Harris and genocide is not ok. But you know what else? I have a smart phone and exploited foreign labor is not ok. I have to drive my old car to work and fossil fuels, greenhouse gas emissions, unwalkable towns, and microplastic pollution are not OK. I eat food, and both exploited underpaid migrant farm workers and corporation produced ultra-processed foods are not OK.
The fact that the US is imperialist and supports Israel was simply not on the presidential ballot in the general election. That is not OK, but it is true. Changing that part of the world for the better means working to make the next election’s choices better, whether that means the peaceful rise of a charismatic progressive candidate or a bloody revolution accelerated into being by shot Trump is doing.
Thing is, the Biden Harris administration could easily have put a stop to it at the very beginning.
Harris could have said that she was opposed to the way Biden dealt with the war.
Neither of those things happened.
Harris had almost 3 million less popular votes than Trump. If everyone single person who stayed home because of the genocide in Gaza had still voted for Harris, Trump would still have won that popular vote by a huge amount.
I’ve seen articles blaming the Gaza vote for it. I’ve seen articles saying Latinos and black people moved to trump. I’ve seen articles blaming literally everyone except the fact that the majority of white people voted for Trump.
That’s something that needs to be talked about. Why did a majority of white men and a majority of white women vote for Trump?
Why were the democrats so establishment oriented that they have, since 2016, refused to run any single candidate who appeals to the people?
Biden won in 2020 because of how badly Trump managed Covid. People did not vote for him because they thought he was a great candidate, they voted for him because Trump royally fucked up.
Democrats are owned by the same billionaires and lobbyists that control the Republicans. If that entire system is not broken up, there won’t be any change whatsoever.
Democrats could easily have gotten more votes if they campaigned on what the regular person was asking for, but they didn’t. They spent all their time campaigning with other right wing people. The fault lies at their door for losing this election. And since trump has come in, they have not even had a unified opposition to him - most votes have had some Democrats siding with the Republicans for confirmations, etc.
If people spend the next 4 years saying see you should have voted for kamala instead of addressing the root causes of the issue, all that’s going to happen is that within the next 4 to 8 years there won’t be another election.
The windows in the US has shifted so far to the right its not even funny. The democrats themselves would be considered a centre right party at best in most of western Europe.
I’m pretty sure I agree with everything you wrote.
I’m a white American disgusted with most of my fellow white Americans. Lots of stuff went wrong with the election and campaign, but every mofo so voted for Trump was alive to see his first term and everything that’s happened since then.
Also agreed that the priority now is to figure out a way forward with a party that actually wants to help people. But when the subject of a discussion is which 2024 vote was best and why, people are still gonna discuss.
Extra genocide? It’s the same amount of genocide…
Do tell that to all the brown and queer people in America. I’m sure they’ll all be reassured that there won’t be any more genocide.
You might want to reassure the Navajo while you’re at it. If you can get to them before they’re put into what is definitely not in any way a concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay.
Getting mad at people for not being willing to condone a genocide is a really wild take to me.
If you’re saying that genocide over there is okay so that genocide over here doesn’t happen as quickly then I don’t really know how to argue that.
We got to this point because the Democrats themselves have been toothless for much of the last 25 years, and prop up the same system that the Republicans are fast tracking even more. The dems did not lose this election just because of the Gaza vote, they lost it because they wouldn’t listen to or support the regular people on the street. Dems had the chance to enshrine things into law - they controlled senate and house for the first two years of Biden. They did not codify any protections for trans rights or abortion rights, then used both as a fundraising event.
Over 50% of white men and women voted for Trump this time around.
So instead of getting mad at people who could not conscientiously condone a genocide, why not get mad and dismantle a system wherein a few billionaires get to buy the entire world and commit genocides on a massive scale? The US has been bombing half the world for almost its entire history. That doesn’t change because Republicans are in power or Democrats are in power.
The current system is between ultra rich and everyone else. If everyone else keeps shitting on each other that won’t change.
You seem to have forgotten your previous post where you said, “It’s the same amount of genocide.”
No it isn’t, now there is more genocide. Of brown people, of queer people, and apparently they’re coming for the indigenous as well.
But arguing about the election is far more important than acknowledging that, isn’t it?
So you are ok with genocide then?
That’s a question focused solely on deflection and you know it, lol.
You’ve had two chances to acknowledge that there have been several domestic genocides added in the U.S. and you have not been willing to, so I think you should be asking that question of yourself.
How have I failed to acknowledge that? I said genocide there vs genocide here. Seems to be an acknowledgement
However by your own logic, you have not said you don’t support genocide.
No, you never said that.
This is the closest you got to saying that:
(Which is not something I said, by the way. You just want me to claim I’m in favor of genocide for some reason I cannot fathom.)
So you are now admitting that it is not the same amount of genocide like you originally claimed? It’s actually a lot more genocide?
Right now, it’s the same amount of genocide.
I’m sure if trump gets his way, a lot more people will be hurt in the states as well.
You are asking thousands of people in the US to walk over their families and relatives dead bodies in order to vote for someone who allowed and helped their murder to happen.
Trump won by almost 3 million popular votes. If everyone who stayed home because of the genocide in Gaza voted for Harris, she still would not have won.
Media has focused on those voters, black and latino voters, brown voters, etc. Why have they not focused on the fact that a majority of white males and a majority of white men voted for Trump? When they know he is actively eroding their rights?
What people get mad at you about is your insistence that checking the box next to somebody’s name on a ballot is a gesture of 100% support for everything on their agenda and everything they have ever done.
The genocide over there and everywhere else is not okay. The fact that the US supports it and does tons of imperialist shit is not okay.
I voted for Harris and genocide is not ok. But you know what else? I have a smart phone and exploited foreign labor is not ok. I have to drive my old car to work and fossil fuels, greenhouse gas emissions, unwalkable towns, and microplastic pollution are not OK. I eat food, and both exploited underpaid migrant farm workers and corporation produced ultra-processed foods are not OK.
The fact that the US is imperialist and supports Israel was simply not on the presidential ballot in the general election. That is not OK, but it is true. Changing that part of the world for the better means working to make the next election’s choices better, whether that means the peaceful rise of a charismatic progressive candidate or a bloody revolution accelerated into being by shot Trump is doing.
Thing is, the Biden Harris administration could easily have put a stop to it at the very beginning.
Harris could have said that she was opposed to the way Biden dealt with the war.
Neither of those things happened.
Harris had almost 3 million less popular votes than Trump. If everyone single person who stayed home because of the genocide in Gaza had still voted for Harris, Trump would still have won that popular vote by a huge amount.
I’ve seen articles blaming the Gaza vote for it. I’ve seen articles saying Latinos and black people moved to trump. I’ve seen articles blaming literally everyone except the fact that the majority of white people voted for Trump.
That’s something that needs to be talked about. Why did a majority of white men and a majority of white women vote for Trump?
Why were the democrats so establishment oriented that they have, since 2016, refused to run any single candidate who appeals to the people?
Biden won in 2020 because of how badly Trump managed Covid. People did not vote for him because they thought he was a great candidate, they voted for him because Trump royally fucked up.
Democrats are owned by the same billionaires and lobbyists that control the Republicans. If that entire system is not broken up, there won’t be any change whatsoever.
Democrats could easily have gotten more votes if they campaigned on what the regular person was asking for, but they didn’t. They spent all their time campaigning with other right wing people. The fault lies at their door for losing this election. And since trump has come in, they have not even had a unified opposition to him - most votes have had some Democrats siding with the Republicans for confirmations, etc.
If people spend the next 4 years saying see you should have voted for kamala instead of addressing the root causes of the issue, all that’s going to happen is that within the next 4 to 8 years there won’t be another election.
The windows in the US has shifted so far to the right its not even funny. The democrats themselves would be considered a centre right party at best in most of western Europe.
I’m pretty sure I agree with everything you wrote.
I’m a white American disgusted with most of my fellow white Americans. Lots of stuff went wrong with the election and campaign, but every mofo so voted for Trump was alive to see his first term and everything that’s happened since then.
Also agreed that the priority now is to figure out a way forward with a party that actually wants to help people. But when the subject of a discussion is which 2024 vote was best and why, people are still gonna discuss.
Technically it’s actually less, there’s an ongoing ceasefire. Hope it lasts, but no hope tbh, Trump definitely doesn’t care about Gazan lives.
The ceasefire has been violated several times by Israel
I’m aware, but the situation is still better for Gazans than it was before the ceasefire. Fuck the genocidal state though.