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I thought my dad would have come around by now with everything going on. Last night he was gloating about how much work is getting done in the White House and how everything’s about to get a lot cheaper.
Insanity.
Then, you should challenge him and make him set a deadline for when everything is supposed to be a lot cheaper. When people starts to get sidetracked from thinking critically, that’s when you need to make them set an ultimatum that either forces them to think critically, or make them set their own limit that you can then point back to later.
That only works for people who haven’t taught themselves to ignore constant cognitive dissonance.
I mean, that’s the real trump derangement syndrome. People who are outside of reality because of their support of the man.
You mean that?
Absolutely. In 2020 I asked the biggest trump supporter I know if he was better off then or four years ago. It’s not the fairest question, but I knew that then. There’s a lot of circumstances that effect it.
In 2020 he had no job (for years), was living with his mother, and swore he was keeping track of his “debt” with her that totalled in the tens of thousands. In 2016 he had a job, and had his own apartment. He said he was doing better in 2020.
In 2024 he had a higher paying job than he ever had before, and had bought a house. I didn’t ask him the question though. I was pretty sure I knew what he would say. He did say he was glad RFK would make us label our food … As he was drinking a soda that had the ingredients labeled, like most of our food.(Oh or is it the “natural and artificial ingredient” secret recipe crap that’s killing us that you still can see on the label and avoid, and not the high fructose corn syrup with 120 percent your daily allotment?)
I’d say that’s detaching from reality when politics get concerned.
Lol. You doubt it?!
Same with my Mom. I told her “yeah, Mussolini did a good job making the trains run on time”. She never responded.
(Beside the point, but Mussolini totally did not run an efficient train network, it was a cluster fuck like everything else he did)
im pretty sure that’s the exact implication being made lol
Yeah but if they knew enough to know that they wouldn’t be voting Republican.
evidently they still did, cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.
Ask your dad why the GOP needs to raise the Debt Ceiling by $4 Trillion in their budget bill, and how many of the now dozens of lawsuits Trump might win based on his performance in 2020 when he lost almost every single court case, even when Trump appointed the judges himself.
I tried that with someone on facebook. They retreated back to “we have to get federal spending under control.” Maybe so, but this group isn’t doing that.
And we do. Only people unaware of the problem aren’t worked about it.
But these people seem unable to parse tough choices and bad choices.
His only concern is himself, he thinks he’ll benefit so everyone else can suffer as far as he is concerned. This is the broad motivation of the entire movement. As if America first didn’t make it obvious enough, it was really “me first”. What they don’t understand is how the me in that is entirely relative and they quickly become expendable.
maybe if you explain to him the cause of the great depression being isolationist economic policy hitting everyone really hard, meanwhile japan with its keynesian policy managed to do pretty well, even in the face of global economic downturn.
Some people find facts more reasonable, ironically, even if they will cognitively dissonant themselves from them.
I can’t wait to talk to my parents. Lifelong republicans (though not specifically trump fans, just voting R), so it’s extremely likely they voted for this.
I’m a federal employee. They voted to put my job (and my wife’s job) in jeopardy. They voted for this. They voted to hurt us.
make it real for your dad - every chance you get, capture the price of a few things and chart it out over time… actual real evidence that you collected yourself is harder to refute than a graph produced by anonymous sources online.
wait until everything gets a lot more expensive, and then ask him what happened lmao
They want something not that different from the Taliban. Subservient women existing only to make and raise kids.
Project 2025…
https://2025realitycheck.com/ - please review, and if you’re able go to the GitHub link at the bottom and help me fill everything out!
I will feel mad as fuck for you and use this as evidence when people say these EOs aren’t hurting anyone other than illegal immigrants.
Completely unrelated, book burnings
I’m sure threads won’t remove your posts
It’s owned by Meta, so it might ¯_(ツ)_/¯
That was the joke.
Wait, I can’t find the order that says to do this. Can someone please link me?
The order to end dei in government positions. Women are included in diversity equity and inclusion. Nasa is a government agency, so it makes sense. Is it good? Absolutely not, just the wacky world we have to live in.
A lot of this was internal and will only be seen in documentaries down the road… if there will even be a road
The aliens might make a documentary when they come visit the ruins someday.
Get your Gus already guy, what are you waiting for?
Yes, any servant of capital is highly disposable - especially working in the MIC.
USPol toxic spill again
Cancel culture ain’t so much fun when it happens to you, is it.
Actually, this situation isn’t about cancel culture at all. Cancel culture typically refers to public backlash resulting in personal or professional consequences for offensive or harmful behavior. What happened here seems to be a systemic decision to remove content highlighting women in STEM at NASA.
This isn’t driven by public outcry or social pressure; it’s a form of institutional erasure. There’s a big difference between being held accountable for harmful actions and having your achievements wiped out due to a policy change.
These two things shouldn’t be conflated.
I think you are misinformed about the nature of cancel culture — it was always a government program. Those mass account purges on Twitter over COVID “misinformation”, for instance, happened explicitly at the behest of the Biden administration. It was not at all the result of public outcry.
Also, many of the claims that were made (such as the lab leak theory) did, in fact, turn out to be true.
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On Cancel Culture: The term “cancel culture” typically refers to public backlash leading to personal or professional consequences for perceived offensive behavior. In the case of the NASA bio removal, it appears to be an internal policy decision, not a result of public outcry.
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On Government Influence and Social Media: While there have been instances where government entities have interacted with social media platforms regarding content moderation—such as the Biden administration’s efforts to curb COVID-19 misinformation—this differs from “cancel culture.” These actions involve governmental attempts to manage public health information, which has sparked debates about free speech and censorship.
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On the Lab Leak Theory: The origins of COVID-19 have been extensively debated. Agencies like the FBI and the Department of Energy have assessed, with varying degrees of confidence, that a lab leak is a plausible origin. However, this remains a separate issue from the NASA bio removal and the broader discussion of cancel culture.
Bringing up these points seems to divert from the initial discussion about the removal of a NASA bio highlighting a woman’s achievements in STEM. It’s essential to distinguish between institutional decisions, public backlash, and government policies.
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False equivalence. Firing someone for saying racist shit isnt the same a removing a person from a website because she is a woman.
Indeed, firing someone seems like a much more drastic measure, and as far as we can tell from the OP, Rose still has her job.
Also, this page about Women at NASA, which contains literally hundreds of articles about female scientists’ achievements there has apparently not been deleted, so this doesn’t look like some sort of systemic erasure to me. Perhaps her profile was simply deleted by mistake?
I tried clicking a bunch of them just to make sure they’re not all dead links, and so far I haven’t hit any 404s.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/page-page-disappearing-government-military-130001973.html
Thousands went offline
They were forced to start bringing some back
Huh. The only possible reason to conflate cancel culture with erasure is if you’re such a shit person with truly deplorable views that being forced to just fucking be polite feels like an attack on your person.
Everyone knows the dog whistle involved here, buddy.
I don’t think I follow that train of thought. What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?
I don’t think I follow that train of thought.
Duh. Not being allowed to do offensive shit without consequence is obviously upsetting to you. So, yeah, of course you didn’t follow a train of thought that includes common decency.
What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?
I think actions have consequences. I think a person who has any actual courage will accept that fact. What, do you think bigotry and prejudice shouldn’t be “undesirable”? What, you afraid of just…not being an ass???
Okay, so instead of focusing on making solid arguments, you been spending much of your time on name calling and insulting my intelligence instead. Is that what you consider common decency? Or should there be consequences for that?
Seems like a clear violation of rule 1 of this forum: “Don’t throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.”
Oh go cry yourself a river to drown in.
Yeah, no shit I’m not “debating in good faith”. Duh. Why the fuck would I bother?? Like, seriously, there’s nothing clever in that “asking questions” approach.
And, if you’re gonna cry about ‘solid arguments’, fund one yourself. Facts don’t care about your feelings, remember???
Take your weak attempt at trolling somewhere else.
Sadly, that stooge isn’t even self aware enough to realize it’s trolling. Which makes feeding trolls so, just, tedious these days. No fun in it at all!! 😡
Deleting the record of a women’s scientific achievements isn’t the same as firing (or declining to renew a contract) of someone who’s falsifying test results or just being an ass.
I wonder which person you’re actually referring to. Have a few names we can “peer review”?
this isn’t cancel culture though, this is culling culture.
She sounds kind of sexist. Why does it matter what sex she is? Shouldn’t everyone be treated equally regardless of sex?
She does not sound sexist. She sounds justifiably upset that the organization she works for and clearly loves is trying to erase her her involvement in it just because she is a woman.
I’m sorry… she sounds sexist because when she talked about the article on her at nasa she mentioned… her dreams… her being raised poor… her being homeless… and… her getting a job at Nasa despite all that. Huh oh wait weird I missed the part where she made it all about her being a woman? because… she didn’t even do that? She wasn’t even highlighting that she is important as a role model to women in STEM. Didn’t even mention it in the part discussing the article that was erased. She was highlighting being a role model of achieving her dream job even though she was poor and homeless at one point. And was simply pointing out that it is being erased BECAUSE she is a woman. and you are calling HER sexist? Are you high? Can you read? You just enter a fugue state when you see the word women and make shit up that didn’t happen so you can feel better about yourself? Cuz I’m super confused how you can get sexist from what she said without just assuming she’s sexist because she is a woman.
To get people trested equally, you need to apply positive bias towards women whom would otherwise be treated unfairly by the current systemic biases.
The irony of posting this in the context of someone who had been effaced specifically because of their sex is overpowering.
Oh geez that would be great wouldn’t it. But it sounds like you’ve never had some tell you that you can’t do something because of your sex. Highlighting successful minorities in a field inspires and encourages others in their same position.
Wow.
You have so consistently dehumanized the women in your life that this statement actually makes sense to you? Like, it’s pretty well known that women are a minority in STEM fields. What the hell you so afraid of, that celebrating a woman’s accomplishments offense you so???
Maybe stop trying to gain power over other human beings. Cause the path you’re currently on? You fucking know where it leads. And no, dragging others down will never change the hellscape of fear and paranoia you have found. You have to walk out of the valley of despair; there is no other escape.
I hope you aren’t assuming I’m a man, are you misgendering me?
Gods, this old chestnut… Hey, on behalf of the Trans-Non-binary community can we retire this please? Not because it’s offensive, it isn’t, we just heard it more on average and it was always just bland weak sause shit. Reseting the clock on this boring ass joke from reddit five years ago is cringe. You wanna troll somebody at least make an effort greater than “I know you are but what am I?!”
lol this is all you have to say for yourself. gtfo
I hope you realize that is irrelevant…?
Like, completely.
Can you please explain what about this sounds kind of sexist to you? We are very confused.
This isn’t a science meme
You shouldn’t care and want justice instead
Why would your bio be on the NASA website? What does that have to do with the exploration of space or technological advancement?
Why couldn’t it be? Why shouldn’t there be a section for “people”, to serve as motivation for whomever wants to follow their footsteps and work at NASA?
And also, supposedly, only women’s info were removed. Did they also remove the bio of men?
It is pretty standard practice. For one, it helps people who read or review your work know who they are dealing with. For another, it helps the general public understand who scientists are. Part of the mission is to make sure that the next generation carries the work on, and by emphasizing the human aspect of the science, young people can actually imagine themselves getting to that point some day.
DEI is bad! Treat everyone based on their merits! Remove the bio pages for anyone not white and male!
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Diversity, equity, and inclusion get in the way of their nepotism and cronyism hiring. If they were hiring based on merit alone there would be no problem being transparent and publishing their hiring decisions.
It’s been said better by other people but the general understanding of the right’s use of “DEI” is as a convenient blanket slur.
It’s typically used against Black and Hispanic people the most, followed by trans people, but any/all women are convenient extra padding under the bus tires of their bigotry and insecurity.
Remember that their fascism is based in feelings of superiority in addition to fear. Use that against the cowardly bastards. They can’t stand to see someone “undeserving” do as well as or better than them, so they try to mow it down.
Fuck ‘em.
EDIT: It seems like Rose Ferreira is of Hispanic descent, hailing initially from the Dominican Republic then moved to NY and eventually secured an internship at NASA, and is now an astronomer and aerospace engineer. It seems like her NASA page got reinstated, maybe after backlash. She’s awesome. Hell yeah for the Streisand effect.
Remember that their fascism is based in feelings of superiority in addition to fear.
Hi, it’s me, I’m the “well akshuslly” guy today. Fascism (and the whole right-wing mindset) is based on fear, primarily fear that they, personally and individually, are interior. That’s why they need the constant and over-the-top demonstrations of dominance and claims of superiority—to drown out those fears.
I appreciate where you’re coming from. I said it the way I did because for some, at least from my observation, there is a sick sadism to it rather than fear alone.
Academic definitions would agree with you and it does hold true for the general populace; however I wanted to add the caveat so as not to mistakenly give the impression that fascists should be pitied, in any capacity.
Oh absolutely. Anyone who rails against “DEI” is by definition a white supremacist.
Anyone who rails against “DEI” is by definition a white supremacist.
This is such a backwards take. “DEI” could always only end in misery, because it pulls people ahead of the line in a time when the working people are already having a hard time. “Is that person hired because of the colour of their skin or the sex of their body, or have they been hired because they’re actually good?”. It could only make a large part of the population feeling left behind because of their sex or race. What do you think that does to the social foundation of a nation?
Alas, I have no idea what a good alternative would be, but I always recognized “DEI” as a bad idea. I don’t have to be a chef to be able to tell that this dish tastes like ass, even if I can’t cook for shit myself.
That does not make me (or anyone else who thinks DEI is ass) a white supremacist “by definition”.
At the end of the day, it’s the ultrarich hoarding all the money that’s the actual issue - an economy that’s not fair to the citizens of the nation. The top 3 wealthiest persons in the USA have the same amount of money as the bottom 50%.
Careful now thats a nuanced opinion that doesn’t stroke my victim complex or reductively imply anyone who disagrees with me on complex systemic social issues is a nazi supremacist.
Prepare to be downvoted and hit with five paragraph essay replies picking apart everything you just said. You racist, mysoginistic, hateful, privileged, homophobic, transphobic, double checks progressive slurs & insults 101 field guide uhh third Reich bringing supremacist scum.
Not necessarily. They might be a misogynist, a militant christian or some other form of bigot as well. That’s the beauty of it, you can be “against DEI” as well as a woman or someone with more melanin than the “default” and you get to imagine they don’t hate you, just all those other people.
Just because you’re not white doesn’t mean you can’t be a white supremacist.
just like women can be enforcers of patriarchy, and the poor engines of capitalism
Case in point: Mark Robinson
Wonder what ol’ Dooky Chute is up to these days.
Also just fucking stupid ignorant assholes who know absolutely nothing other than the TV and their pastor and their radio tell them everyday that DEI is bad.
Everyone seems to forget that DEI as a name for these programs started during the first Trump admin.
DEI has always been a ruse.
They “embraced” these concepts to get all of the existing programs to label themselves as such.
They let Biden “extend” these programs so that anything supporting non-white-males would group together under the same banner.
Now they are “extinguishing” the whole lot of them now that it’s nice and easy and their targets have huddled together and identified themselves.
There was a complex network of programs doing these jobs before DEI existed. DEI was a ruse to centralize them so they could be extinguished.
They built the barrel, then used fascist rhetoric to get all the fish to group together in the barrel. Now they’re shooting the fish in the barrel.
I’d love to believe it.
I can’t find anything backing this up.
The has become a wall of text. Sorry.
1st half of this post is refuting “trump defined DEI”. I would live to be proved wrong on this, but it seems like something that happened during trump and was defined by Biden.
2nd half is more positive.
1st half…
Mostly sourced from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion (
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusionincase the commas fuck up formatting).I don’t know when DEI actually became the official term. Probably during the Biden administration .
According to wiki, however, DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.Executive Orders that first mention “equity” along side diversity and inclusion seems to be https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13583 an Obama EO.
The best I can find relating to what you say is along the lines of this:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-programsBasically, government bodies using their autonomy to enact DEI policies in response to #MeToo, #BlackLivesMatter, George Floyd, and lots of other public sentiment & unrest. However nothing official at the government level of “DEI”.
Essentially, trump was asleep at the wheel with COVID and civil unrest, did fuck all (or encouraged civil unrest), and government bodies (which still had autonomy) enacted policies inline with the population.So, what constitutes DEI?
What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?
The 2nd half:
Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It’s not really a thing.
DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
DEI isn’t a tangible thing. It’s humanity.
It didn’t happen during trump’s first term. But it did progress.
It didn’t happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equality and freedom for all.
And a bit more ideologically…
Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
But everyone has worked on this before. It’s a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can’t be killed.
It’s gonna be 4 years of shit.
Hopefully Americans learn, and don’t vote in more conservatives.
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Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.Edit: typo, equality not equity
Thank you so much for your work on this.
My post that you are replying to is mostly a tongue-in-cheek commentary on how programs that have existed for decades self-labeled as something that the right was able to rally against, thereby making themselves a single large target instead of a decentralized force distributed across agencies.
I just know that I first started seeing “DEI” as a label pop up in the first Trump admin. Frankly, in 2018, it was called “Climate and Diversity” in my local environment. Shortly thereafter it got relabeled.
DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.
Yup! Remember how I said that before it was labeled there was a complex network of programs doing this job? DEI is more of a label than a program. I fully agree.
So, what constitutes DEI?
What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?It’s not well defined! It’s a scare word. It’s a label that we lined up behind that unintentionally made it easy for antiracist programs to be identified and targeted.
Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It’s not really a thing.
DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
DEI isn’t a tangible thing. It’s humanity.
It didn’t happen during trump’s first term. But it did progress.
It didn’t happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equity and freedom for all.I can’t agree more! The label of DEI just makes these programs easier to find. This us true both for people seeking assistance from these programs and for people seeking to dismantle them. Such identification is a double-edged sword, and that’s what my depressed brain was trying to communicate.
Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
But everyone has worked on this before. It’s a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can’t be killed.
It’s gonna be 4 years of shit.
Hopefully Americans learn, and don’t vote in more conservatives.
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Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.I love you. Thank you for this message of hope. I’m sorry to qualify it by saying: just because data can be restored, doesn’t mean that people or careers can be.
Nice.
With the tongue in cheek context, I understand your comment more: DEI (as an idea & movement) blossomed under trumps first term, because of the bullshit he caused and the reaction of the public.
The government had actual civil servants (as opposed to appointed oppressors or whatever), and reacted in a sensible way.But yeh, the damage being done to people is unimaginable. People’s entire careers are being deleted from public records because they are a woman in STEM, or because they are the wrong colour, or because they don’t fit Christians opinion of normal. It’s fucked up
I don’t have to imagine it. Part of why I’m grumpy and bitching on the internet is that I’ve found myself unemployed with a deleted career and an almost-finished phd. I’m kind of at a loss for what to do or what comes next or how I’ll pay rent in two weeks. I’m scared and I was victim blaming myself. Thanks for helping to contextualize my pain and pull me back to reality. I’m doing a lot better now after talking to people on lemmy than I was last night or even this morning.
You mentioned space science, right? I’m an engineer at an aerospace company, feel free to message me if you want to chat about the industry, I’d love to help if I can.
Yeh, venting on the internet helps. And it’s always great when you actually connect with someone.
I always wish I’d learned a trade. Electrician, plumber or tiler. Get an apprenticeship, learn a trade, be a sole trader, do something physical that’s always in demand.
Plenty out there to do, and it’s ok to mourn your last job (being a student/doctorate is a job).
Connect with old friends and family. Meet some new people. Somebody will be looking for someone smart and compassionate
As I keep telling people, they keep saying “DEI” because even most Bible belt folks get uncomfortable when you drop the hard R they really want to say.
They can’t stand to see someone “undeserving” do as well as or better than them, so they try to mow it down.
in australia and new zealand we have a concept called “tall poppy syndrome” (people who stand out from the crowd, who promote themselves excessively and publicly) and the reaction to that: “cutting down the tall poppy”. cutting down the tall poppy originally meant just bringing them back down to earth, but kinda morphed into simply criticising anyone that does well
we tend to have a relatively strong egalitarian streak, and perhaps that change was tearing people down rather than distributing their success to equalise
anyway, related: tearing down the tall poppy, ie pulling down anyone that stands out
The current admin cabinet hires are completely based on DEI. What other companies would hire such a diverse cadre of alcoholics, rapists, and idiots, while most companies tend to hire on merit.
I like to think these ones self select.
Women and visible minorities are often given the absolute worst conditions for getting out of the shit cycle started by white dudes. This can mean that they don’t have great scores on tests and stuff and that can look like they are, by default, not as smart if you’re the kind of person whose brain is barely firing enough to allow you to breathe.
So you extend that out and suddenly it’s “wait if they get hired at all and they’re not as smart that means they don’t deserve it!”. DEI does, I’m sure, bring some people in that might not be the best candidates but it never brings in people who are unqualified for the job like the racists believe, and the even the metric for “best” on paper is clouded by the aforementioned lack of support.
They’re connected because these people believe that there’s no way a straight white male would ever lose to a minority or a woman despite the fact that most of the people who believe it are huge losers barely stumbling through life while ignoring the fact that they are supported by everyone else.
I’m a straight, white dude whose parents can financially support me when I need it shit’s hard enough as-is. To act like I don’t have serious privilege and like so many people don’t have it even worse than me…god I can’t even fathom that level of self-centered egotism.
If someone hired someone provably less qualified that would be easy grounds for a discrimination lawsuit. The problem is actually usually the opposite. People from disadvantaged groups often have to work way harder and be way more qualified just to be treated equally in society.
DEI isn’t about who we hire and fire specifically but about how we as a society of institutions act overall. People in DEI might review the hiring and firing practices more holistically as one part of their job. Possibly focusing on recruiting practices including all communities (who are you advertising the job to?), job descriptions being simplified and more honest to what is actually required (broadening who qualifies), training hiring and firing authorities about unconscious bias, etc. That enables them to follow the eeoc laws and truly hire people that are most qualified while having a more representative candidate pool, resulting in a more representative group of employees. When you’re correcting your hiring practices to be more equitable, you don’t need to hire people less qualified.
DEI would also be how they are treated once there, how the organization treats their staff in a fair and equitable manner. How current policies and processes can be changed to remove structural bias. How to best utilize a broad range of perspectives to improve your organization. For business often how you can include a broader range of targets to market to, etc. Analyzing the structure as a whole for institutional bias. That’s all DEI.
The right has perverted the concept of DEI to make people believe unqualified people are landing positions when that’s not what DEI is even there for.
I’ve got cousins who live in a house purchased by my grandparents. Pretty sure my uncle has always lived in places they’ve bought? His kids, college age, told me that they aren’t privileged…
Apparently they’re fucking stupid.
Man, why is it so common to find those people among the group that is so clearly privileged even compared to poor people that are otherwise exactly like them?
I mean, I’m sure it’s because we fetishize hardship and idiots feel like they aren’t of value unless they’ve had some kind of major setback so having privilege makes them feel like they didn’t still earn whatever it was just because doing it didn’t come with a heap of other issues but fuck.
I think the justification for things like this is that they don’t feel like they got there on their merits in the first place
