Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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    So many projects and small websites Iā€™m aware of are being overtaxed by shitty LLM scrapers these days, it feels like an intentional attack. I guess the idea of ai canā€™t fail, it can only be failed; and so its profiteers must sabotage anything that indicates itā€™s not beneficial/necessary.

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    since the name popped up elsewhere: whatā€™s the feel on venkatesh rao?

    (I often see the name in šŸš© places, but dunno if thatā€™s because the areas or because the person)

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      We talked about that on r/sneerclub in the past, canā€™t recall the specific consensus. Seems post-rational, has innovation on rationalism from binary ā€˜object vs metaā€™ to 2x2 grids.

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          I did a quick search on Ribbonfarm (I couldnā€™t recall what his blog was called quickly) myself. And see how much I had forgotten, it should have been called meta-rationality, and yes, insight porn, that was the term. (linking to two posts where ribbonfarm/this stuff was discussed).

          E: Sad feels when you click on a name in the sub from years ago and see them now being a full blast AI bro.

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      I mean, itā€™s obviously true that games have their own internal structures and languages that arenā€™t always obvious without knowledge or context, and the FireRed comparison is a neat case where you can see that language improving as designers have both more tools (here meaning colors and pixels) and also more experience in using them. But also even in the LW thread they mention that when humans run into that kind of problem they donā€™t just act randomly for 6 hours. Either they came up with some systematic approach for solving the problem, they walked away from the game to ask for help, or something else. Also you have the metacognition to be able to understand easily ā€œthat rug at the bottom marks the exitā€ once itā€™s explained, which Iā€™m pretty sure the LLM doesnā€™t have the ability to process. Itā€™s not even like a particularly dumb 6-year-old. Even if itā€™s prone to similar levels of over matching and pattern recognition errors, the 6-year-old has an actual conscious brain to help solve those problems. The whole thing shows once again that pattern recognition and reproduction can get you impressively far in terms of imitating thought, but thereā€™s a world of difference between that imitation and the real deal.

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      this is so embarrassing. ā€œyou say Claude is less capable than a typical six year old? yeah well what if the six year old is notably stupid? did you think of that?ā€

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        Instead of increasing the capabilities of llms a lot of work is done in the field of downplaying human capabilities to make llms look better in comparison. You would assume that the ā€˜be aware of biasses, and learn to think rationallyā€™ place would notice this trap. But nope, nobody reads the sequences anymore. (E: for the people not in the know, the sequences is the Rationalist bible written by Yud (extremely verbose, the new bits are not good and the good bits are not new) used here as a joke, reading it (and saying you should) used to be part of the cultic milieu of LW).

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      LW subjected me to a CAPTCHA which I find pretty funny for reasons I CBA to articulate right now.

      Claude couldnā€™t exit the house at the beginning of PokĆ©mon Red, an incredibly popular and successful game for children, therefore itā€™s dumber than an average child? Sounds dubious. I couldnā€™t figure out how to do that either and look at how intelligent I am!

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        The CAPTCHA failed to load properly for me at first, and then was mega slow. Quality custom implementation of a (wrapper around a) CAPTCHA, millions of EA money well spent.

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        Without a captcha the AIs would be trained on cutting edge AI alignment research like ā€œvideogames are unintuitive sometimesā€, and this would greatly increase the chance of P(Doom).

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      Do we have any experts on Wikipedian article-deletion practices around here? Because that looks really thinly sourced.

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      To sorta repeat a prediction of mine, shit like this is gonna tank the public image of coding as a profession.

      Inevitable software issues aside, ā€œvibe codingā€ as a concept undermines any notion of coding as being a difficult/skillful thing, making it sound like coders are doing the equivalent of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. That the software produced by this method is inevitably derivative, dogshit or derivative dogshit is gonna help damage codingā€™s image, too.

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      This ā€œinsightā€ tool gives a very incisive critique of the opinion-page journalism weā€™ve been seeing lately. Oddly enough, not the kind of critique youā€™d see printed on an opinion page.

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        On one hand, torture. On the other hand if you wanted to throw a billionaire crypto grifter into the Omelas hole Iā€™m pretty sure Iā€™d take a few weeks before I started caring.

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      truly the podcasting bros are the most oppressed minority in america

      (also it looks like a bit more than the usual audience numbers for carlson channel, but itā€™s only one day so itā€™s kinda a bit more than nobody watched it. but itā€™s much less than when he openly pandered to schizos, cryptobros or vatniks)

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      Odds that this catches some Israeli nationalists in the net because they were posting about Hamas and arguing with the supposed sympathizers? Given their moves to gut the bureaucracy I canā€™t imagine they have the manpower to have a human person review all the people this is going to flag.

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      Ow look the thing I worried about on r/scc (yes I know my own fault for touching it) which could not happen ā€˜because you dont understand how llms workā€™ happend.

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    This just hit my inbox (and spurred me to unsubscribe from future BuiltIn slop) and man, so tired of this sort of mindless drivel. Like companies still have trouble with basic application and management processes, but magic robot will fix? Fucking hell.

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      Interesting to see if he gets one.

      I believe Trump is A-OK with pay for play for pardons, but whatā€™s the actual price? Something flew by where people were buying a one-to-one with him for $5M, but thatā€™s basically ā€œprivateā€. A pardon of someone as high-profile as SBF has to be worth the reputation hit. Can SBF and/or his family swing it? Would SBF be a good ally/toady of Trump?

      Somehow I donā€™t see it. Unlike UIrich, a lot of people lost real money when FTX imploded. There wasnā€™t that much sympathy for him from crapto huggers. And letā€™s not forget heā€™s an autistic Jew, not a clear hero for the people who have Trumpā€™s ear.

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    New thread from Ed Zitron, focusing on the general trashfire that is CoreWeave. Jumping straight to the money-shot, he noted how the company is losing money selling shovels in the gold rush:

    You want my off-the-cuff prediction, CoreWeave will probably be treated as the Leyman Brothers of the 2020s, an unofficial mascot of everything wrong with Wall Street (if not the world) during the AI bubble.

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      Nvidiaā€™s current downturn is probably moreso due to the disastrous launch of itā€™s 5000 series rather than AI.

      If it was AI Iā€™m guessing the drop would be larger.

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      itā€™s possibly a distinction without a meaningful difference, but I wouldnā€™t say theyā€™re selling shovels - this shit is more like renting out shovels. or maybe timeshare?

      Iā€™d love to see a postmortem on deals and developmentā€¦ I have some suspicions on how it all got in this mess to start with (largely ā€œif we sink piles of capex now to corner the market on the magical future, we can totes make it through 5y!ā€ type variations), but I want to see if Iā€™m right

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        see the funny thing is that ms et al are walking back/scaling down their deployment plans, but thatā€™s all partial on the whole. microsoft isnā€™t going to completely explode overnight the moment everyone groks llms are trash, even though theyā€™re gonna take a hit

        the entities like coreweave whose entire existence is predicated on the fairy tale, howeverā€¦

        (I am still worried about the multi-industry downstream impact of when this shit finally pops though, it is going to be nasty)

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      During the trial, Pennyā€™s defense brought in a forensic pathologist who claimed that Neely hadnā€™t died from being choked but from a ā€œcombination of his schizophrenia, synthetic marijuana, sickle cell trait and the struggle from being in Pennyā€™s restraint,

      I get that defense attorneys have to work with what they have but goodness am I tired of this argument.

      ā€œYour honor the deceased did not die from being shot through the temple, but due to having chronic migraines and exposure to second hand smoke 3 years ago and also walking towards the bullet thus increasing itā€™s relative velocity slightyā€

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      what if, right, we made a search engine so good it became the verb for searching, and then we replaced it with a robot with a concussion