Bodies of Israeli residents and Palestinian militants lay outside of burned-out homes in the Israeli kibbutz Kfar Aza on Tuesday, days after Hamas launched a large-scale surprise assault on Israel, sending heavily armed fighters pouring across the border from Gaza and rampaging through rural communities.
That is terrible. Obviously for both sides, but this is on another level. I feel bad for all the innocents that are slaughtered, and are going to be slaughtered because of this.
I reckon it’s going to get decently worse before it gets better unfortunately.
I agree. This pot has been on and off the boil for decades, this latest boil over will be going for a while. I feel sickened by the thought of the news from the region in the coming weeks.
Did you read the article? This is absolutely not the time for “both side” ism. It’s time to condemn a clear atrocity.
Por que no los dos?
It costs me nothing to have compassion for those suffering and dying. I can condemn horrors while feeling deep sorrow. Every news article from this region will be tragic for a while.
Don’t let terrorists crush your humanity.
So then you say “I condemn those who murdered the babies” not a version of “they had it coming”. Which is what you’re saying if you read this and post “I feel bad for the people who killed them”.
It’s the opposite of losing humanity when you can condemn murder. That is called accountability. When you excuse the murders that is victim blaming and shaming.
For someone who is arguing for both and, you have a hard time with nuance. It doesn’t help you see clearly. I would argue that it is your humanity that is lost - numbed. You’re afraid to feel the true pain of this and acknowledge who did it.
No one fucking said that. No one here is sympathizing with fucking Hamas despite your best efforts to conflate them with the Palestinian victims. The “innocents that are going to be slaughtered because of this” aren’t the people who killed them.
You are literally batshit insane. Look at any of my comments and I am saying don’t look at Hamas as Palestinian. So, I am not conflating them… what an idiot you are. Tone it down a notch.
Whoah now. I’m not the person you were talking to. I think an edit with some strikethroughs is in order.
You also advocated “why not both?” But I see what you’re saying.
Are you saying not to let terrorism dehumanize Jews?
Gotcha. My bad. I understand your frustration. The people pretending the Israeli victims deserved this are…well, I don’t even try to talk to them because I don’t think I can.
Why not condemn clear atrocities and show compassion for everyone that’s going to be a victim? Both sides only applies to raped, murdered or injured innocents - and there will be innocent victims on all sides.
Videos of dead kids on either side of the wall bring me to tears.
I appreciate the empathy you are showing and considering my perspective. I don’t quite understand the sentence about when you’re saying both sides applies…
My point is there is no both sides when you read this article. Hamas broke into Israel and raped and murdered unarmed people point blank (they didn’t bomb). And then they butchered babies. That should be unequivocally stated and Hamas condemned.
Hamas is like Al Qaeda, like the Taliban. They are religious extremist terrorist groups. Not freedom fighters. They should not be receiving sympathy. You should be consoling the victims of this crime only.
For example, in USA national news, someone recently kidnapped a little girl from a camping site. Then the police found the kid in the trailer (alive). The news article did not say what a hard life the kidnapper had before he took the kid. It focused on the victim and the victim’s family.
Right now, everyone is saying “poor both sides”. No - Hamas murdered babies and beheaded them. This thread is filled with people who refuse to focus on the victims - the Israeli children. As if they are subhuman. It’s so fucking disturbing.
Musings and thought experiments can come later.
I am only both sidesing human suffering. The Palestinians dying are victims of Hamas, too. I don’t think we should detract from the horrors Hamas has committed in Israel, but I’m also not going to judge someone for having sympathy for their Palestinian victims as well.
And it is insanely disgusting. As if calling Israel colonizers makes the rape and murder of children acceptable. Like I said, I won’t even try to talk to those people. I can’t handle it.
I did and said it was on another level. Did you not read my comment?
So let’s just ignore the past 40 years of atrocities against Palestine because now it’s Jewish children getting killed instead of the normal Arab kids? You can’t have any pudding if you don’t eat your meat.
The atrocities started in the late 1800s. Well, the most recent round of atrocities.
Okay so for arguments sake let’s say every Palestinian attack is justified and every Israeli attack is not.
Now what?
Now repeat after me:
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”
Now you’re explicitly calling for genocide
Wrong. I am calling for a counter-genocide. It’s a lot like the Israeli genocide against Palestine, but counter.
Counter genocide is still genocide. There has never been a genocide that has been unpopular amongst the people committing it.
Repeat after me, “I am an ignorant git”
Guess these were soldier babies? I found the open air apartheid babies comment.
Actually, they’re entirely theoretical babies lmao IDF refuses to release any actual evidence of “butchered children” while claiming that you should totally just trust the IDF reports because those dead babies are totes real according to their soldiers. Wouldn’t want to “disrespect” said dead babies by actually proving the claim. Nahhhhhh. Just trust the IDF soldiers to be truthful.
To what end? What sorts of events are more likely to occur if the entire western world decides that these were subhuman attacks and does not taint the condemnation with warnings of retributive death tolls?
You likened this to someone questioning 9/11 in another comment, and that’s very right. After 9/11 the idea that “the Taliban” did atrocities and urging restraint was offensive led to 20 years of war and hundred of thousands of dead. When war fever is rising, the correct response is to tamp it down, not castigate people for saying “this is terrible, but we shouldn’t slaughter innocent people”.
The end is that babies were mass murdered. That is unequivocally BAD. And universally terrible. It’s something evil that, let’s say Nazis, terrorists do.
Sure. And what does that have to do with not questioning the death of babies Israel is inflicting in response?
Dead Palestinian babies are also the fault of Hamas, and is specifically one of the goals of these attacks.
What whitewashing hogwash. “They made us blow up those buildings!” Israel is very much an active participant in them destroying buildings. These aren’t mistakes and aren’t heading off a clear and present danger, they’re retribution. That Hamas made them rightfully angry doesn’t in any way absolve their responsibility for their own choices.
Buildings are not lives.
Holy fuck, how did you think those Palestinians are dying? Natural causes?
And there’s the “what about”ism.
Yeah… no. Killing babies is bad period mmmkay.
That someone would mention the literal killing of babies by Israel is the whole fucking thing you were objecting to. Sorry to intrude on your righteous war fever with the small issue that the response is literally doing the thing you say is “bad period”.
OP’s (and my) stance is that killing babies is bad, period. You’re the one who seems unhappy that the tragedy you want to think about is being related to the actual killings or children that are ongoing. They’re both fucking horrible, but you don’t seem to think the Palestinian children are also innocent and deserve to live as well.
“These are monsters and don’t talk about what we’re doing in response” is the cry of the warmongers lusting for retribution.
“worry you can’t point out the literal war crimes of one side of this three sided war, because one of the other three sides also commits them”
And if you point out the hypocrisy, you’re a nazi or anti-semite. Because apparently the government and military of the country of Israel represents ALL jews.
And I guess bothering to point out that the situation isn’t a simple “take out one group and MAGIC PEACE!” solution that people seem to be implying. Plus the fact that anybody slightly questioning the official story gets shit on when the official story is basically the exact excuse the GOVERNMENT (not the people) of Israel has been waiting for to get what they want, and have made no secrets about for decades.
Maybe if we hadn’t stuck our collective noses in it for the last 80 years, they’d be a lot better off.
Israeli isn’t intentionally killing babies. They’re not going village to village and killing the elderly, infirm and infants. Hamas did that. They intentionally and indiscriminately killed children. The deaths were not collateral damage.
If Hamas attacked a bridge near the border that was dual purpose (like most bridges are). And on it at the time was a kid on a bike or in a back of a car who perished. We wouldn’t call Hamas baby murderers. That would be collateral dage. When Hamas storms a civilian house, confirms the lack of military presence and then proceeds to execute the occupants. That’s clearly worse.