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They chose to use a stock photo of a million dollars.
$5000 is only 2 and a half of those bundles of $20’s.
These people are trying to run propaganda for Trump, they can’t even keep their fascist bullshit straight.
but when you look through maga glasses, that’s what you see when a black single mom of 2 receives a wic voucher for a couple gallons of milk.
You see, its not one black mom, its the millions of moms getting subsidies!
Lets ignore the part where we somewhy have a million moms needing subsidies.
I worked both Brinks type security and for Chase, so the inside and outside. That’s not a million. It’s probably somewhere between a quarter and a half, but the picture doesn’t make it super easy to tell.
Your point is very valid however, they used a deceiving picture on purpose.
Lol so even if they were $1 bills that wouldn’t be an accurate pic hahaha
Thank you! Maddening!
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WE CAN’T DO THAT, IT’S LIKE PUNISHING THE MOMS WHO ALREADY HAD CHILDREN!!! /s
This is literally going to be an argument if people start proposing free daycare/child care :/
It’s already been done to college students - that’s the parallel I was trying to draw
“I had to suffer so you should too!”
That’s the nice thing in a social democracy
When the next generations has better education, my pension fund will be more filled
In practice though, it seems people are the same kind of stupid…
That won’t even cover half of the (insured) cost of even the smoothest birth with my plan, and I work for a multi-billion dollar company.
This country, man. Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
It’s the classic of someone having to visit a doctor while in Europe. And they’re always shocked at how cheap it is in comparison. Even people who know it’s much cheaper tend to think it’s like 50% , not 99-100% less. I had an emergency room visit with blood and urine testing, painkiller injection, private exam room, etc… It took a few hours and was about $25 that you could pay at a machine on your way out.
I was gonna day $5k is just a handout to insurance companies for just the birth of the baby.
Which is, well, the end of Republicans giving a shit about babies and children.
Oopsies, births cost $5k more now tee hee.
Meanwhile Id kill for those 5k bucks. But thats becausw the right to stay alive doesnt cost me a kidney
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Better Idea, let’s fix the economy so people can afford to have Babies.
Or fix the world so we want to have Babies.
Or lower the price of housing so we have a place to put babies.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
One of those are more likely than the others. It’s the last one.
And you just know the people coming out of those labour factories will all share a visibly distinct attribute - or tint, god help me for saying that - that makes them recognizable as low-caste now as it did in the 1800s.
I hate fearing that is right around the corner. Again, fuck.
I’m gonna fucking laugh if it leads to a revolution due to the slaves being the only people actively reproducing
What do you think all of this immigrant shit is about. They want white babies.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
Mmm yes, Borrasca.
Look at the historic birth rate in countries where where these things aren’t an issue and you’ll realize that unless you walk back on women rights and access to contraception, people won’t have enough babies to renew the population because they simple don’t want to have enough of them to do so.
How in the fuck do you write “unless you walk back on women rights”? Like what happens in your mind that you actually post that for the public to see? Shame on you for that misogyny, you deserve a slap.
Also, where is this magical country where I don’t have to worry about wealth inequality and climate catastrophe?
You are absolutely arguing in bad faith, and for that, fuck you.
Reading comprehension much?
I never said it was acceptable to walk back on women rights, I said it’s something that people who want to see a higher birthrate will have to fight against because it’s not happening otherwise. I couldn’t give more of a crap about increasing birthrate, I won’t have kids by choice. I do give a fucking crap about women rights though!
I mentioned historical statistics because you can look back at times before climate change and wealth inequality worried anyone and birthrate was going down as women rights increased and contraception became readily available.
So, conclusion, if women are given the right to do more with their lives than being mothers and if contraceptives are made available, couples will make the decision not to have enough kids to renew the population, no matter how easy it is to have them, as we can see in all developed countries where socio economic inequality is lower than in the US. Scandinavian countries don’t renew their population without immigration and haven’t for a fucking long time, in Finland birthrate went below renewal rate before WW2 for fuck’s sake!
There might be other factors at play. Deciding to have a child is a complex decision. But not having those things mentioned just makes the problem worse.
Also, speaking of historical facts. Even outlawing abortion and such doesn’t stop it. They travel or use risky methods. Or they put the kid up for adoption which leads to a massive spike in crime. Which is why roughly 18 years after Roe v Wade there was a drop in crime.
As I said, it’s just historical stats from a bunch of different countries that all show the same thing.
Both my sisters in law have three kids and get about $1.6k in financial help, super cheap childcare and free healthcare, they’re still in the minority of people who have 3 kids in Canada and most of the decline happened just as the pill was made legal and women started having rights and didn’t depend on their husband to, for example, open a bank account and at a time when buying a house wasn’t an issue.
Look at migrants from African countries, childbirth over there is super high, they move to a rich country and they don’t have as many kids as the average in their country of origin even though living conditions are better.
Women rights. Contraception.
You call out all the reasons they should have a kid, like free healthcare. But ignore all the reasons why people don’t want to have kids.
You also ignore all the reasons why someone in a 3rd world country might have more kids. Like mortality rate, needing more hands for work, etc.
Yes contraception and reproductive rights are part of it. But acting like those are the only things it’s naive.
Acting like making peoples lives more comfortable will make them want to have kids is every more naive, that’s why I was replying in the first place. There’s plenty of reasons people don’t want them, women rights gives them even more reasons, women rights and contraception gives them the means to prevent it.
Lol, you’re clearly invested in one side and doing research in only one direction. There are plenty of reasons people would want kids too. There are plenty of reasons they don’t have kids that can be changed.
You also pick out a chart that conveniently only has things that support this view called out. Ignoring correlation doesn’t equal causation. If you think so, this site will blow your mind https://search.app/RrPkGZ5UpJcSrvHU9
I’m not here to change your mind, you’ve made it up. I’ve said my piece.
Thing is, when you see the same thing happen all over the world then saying “correlation doesn’t equal causation!” just makes you look dumb.
Clinton Floats $5,000 Baby Bond
~ September 28, 2007
It’s nice to know these two are still in touch.
put into an index fund over the last seventeen years, that $5k is now $30k. it was not a terrible idea.
Of all the people who are so strapped they could receive $5k and not immediately blow it on visa bills and rent, parents aren’t even close to the list. $5k into investments? Most of them are either flirting with bankruptcy or engaging in some heavy petting in a corner booth.
Don’t judge me. I got kids to feed.
Not on its face, no. I think it’s still a band-aid attached to a bigger problem of generational inequality. Public housing, education, and a large competitive public hiring sector would have gone much farther in rectifying poverty in the US.
But the extra insulting aspect of “Baby Bonds” is that they’re an idea dangled over a public hungry for economic reforms which never actually gets delivered. When liberals lose, they get to nag centrists and insist “We had all these good ideas but you were too racist and stupid to accept them”. When they win, we get an earful about how the federal courts, the super-majority Senate, the prior administration’s mid-level bureaucrats, the state legislatures, and two dozen of DC’s biggest lobbying firms all have to agree to go along with it or the reforms can’t pass.
Seems like Republicans are getting in on the same act, now that kitchen table liberalism is experiencing a popular resurgence.
It’s really gonna help to pay for diapers in an index fund.
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Totally original idea
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/15/nx-s1-5077776/kamala-harris-child-tax-credit-housing
USA so shit they gotta pay people to make babies here
clearly this is meant to be read in an Uncle Roger voice right?
I had never heard of him until now
Thanks now I can’t get it out of my head
They just cut head start, slashed medicade(51% of us babies are born on this program), no medicade no pediatric care for your baby either, cut hud, slashed the department of education, blocked student loan forgiveness, are dismantling the aca preventative care mandate, gutting worker protections, canceling child labor laws, laid off 275,000 workers and destroyed their livelihood and tanked the economy ……yea the birth rate is going to plummet. 5k lol doesn’t even cover a fraction of the utter devastation coming to American families from these moronic policies. Who in their right mind would want to bring a child into this racist sexist tech bro oligarchy?
And all to fund tax cuts for the wealthy - who don’t need them.
That’s a weird way of wording “You’ll only have to pay 95K out of your 100K bill of your hospital stay for giving birth”
5K PER MONTH and paying for the full hospital bill would be a great place start. But of course, they aren’t really pro-life to begin with.
Pro-Birth =/= Pro-Life
They don’t care what happens after birth.
In a lot of places 5K a month covers daycare, and not much more
$100k wtf? I only remember paying for parking at the hospital…evil socialism!
According to my halfassed search engine results, giving birth costs on average $18,000.
Just the cost of epidural, estimates range from $1000 to $3500 out of that cost.
As someone who lives in a country where giving birth is free that sounds absolutely insane to me. Are these birth costs in the US at least covered by common medical insurance or is it always that bad? It’s a miracle that the US birth rate is one of the highest in the western world when the conditions are like this…
After my son’s birth in 2006, we owed $12,000 after insurance. That was a single night’s stay in the hospital. Nothing out of the norm for the birth. We had to refinance the house the following year to pay off his and our daughter’s birth from 2005.
I think my hospital bills were around $5,000. What I didn’t anticipate was the fact that once my daughter was born I was paying hospital bills for me and for her. I think without insurance it was around 30k? So insurance covered 25,000 and we paid the rest
Not really, all the third world countries with no real system to pay for old age have high birthrates too.
Right? 🇨🇦
But I have family in Sweden, and I’m not sure they don’t have a baby food fund, but I definitely remember that daycare, preschool and all schooling was free of user-fees and also nearby.
So she’s been walking the kids to the schools down the road a bit for 14 years now, on her way to and from work. And it’s been free. And I think they get lunch. And their schools are moderately successful and still have programmes. And they graduate kids who can add in their head and speak two languages or more.
Guys, I think rogue American states don’t want to join Canada. Join Denmark or Sweden instead!
Estonian here, similar, but two languages wasn’t actually an option at least earlier this century. I started my first foreign language in 3rd grade and the other one in 6th. Could’ve added a 3rd one in high school but didn’t feel like it personally.
Daycare isn’t entirely free but the fee is very small.
Hospital visits are 2.50 per night for inpatient or 5 euros a visit for outpatient I think. Without insurance most tests are still double digits, but major surgery can go into the thousands. Insurance is tied to having employment - but being in school, raising a child under 3, etc counts too. And so does registering as unemployed. Pretty much the only time you have no health insurance is if you’re a NEET and don’t register for unemployment.
And you can walk to places. In my hometown, we could just walk or cycle to the next town over. There’s a separate light traffic road next to the car road.
American here. I don’t remember paying a dime for either of our kid’s birth. Don’t think we even had copays for the doctor.
I had a kid three years ago, we decided to get a higher premium health plan that specifically had excellent natal coverage. It’s one of the most expensive plans available to us but we didn’t pay anything for 9 months worth of prenatal visits plus 3 days in the hospital. The coverage statement said that delivery from the hospital was something like $28,000 but the first bill we actually saw that we had to pay was for a hearing test that was only partially covered.
Lol, you guys get ripped of.
A whole hospital stay for a normal uncomplicated birth in Germany with Epidural is just 3600€ (that’s what the hospital gets paid, and most of them are for-profit in Germany)
Remember the stimulus checks that covered approximately 15 days’ worth of rent?
Remember? I’m still living off of mine!
Oh wait, that was just some right wing delusional bullshit that disappeared as quickly as it materialized.
This has been tried elsewhere I believe. It ends up being a gift for those who can afford kids anyway, and does not incease the number of couples deciding to have children. A small gift for upper middle class.
Better wealth distribution however; that works.
It was done in Australia quite a few years back and widely mocked. There was a bit of a bump in “XBox babies”, but it was mostly from the kind of people who don’t understand that a one-off cash bonus spent on a bigger TV doesn’t cover the costs of raising a kid.
That is Trump’s demographic, but he’s being very optimistic if he thinks these kids will be going to the polls while he’s still alive.
The type of person who would think 5k for having a kid is a great deal is exactly the type of person conservatives would bitch about having kids and leeching all the other government resources.
Coincidentally, it’s also the exact type of person conservatives want having kids. They make up the majority of prison labor, military fodder, and wage slaves.
Isn’t it like ~$310,000 to raise a kid to 17? That’s, what, 2% of what is needed after the poor child is born? And some woman is going to decide to let a guy nut in her for $5000?
This won’t even cover the medical costs to give birth
Even Elon pays better than this
My personsl hypothesis is that when couples are living in times of prosperity or growth, they can see a future and can comfortably grow a pension, then they are likely to consider having kids. This also happens to be the time they are getting a share of the wealth society generates.
In recession and uncertain times, couples tend to hold of on getting kids, and if they do get kids, they do it much later in life, when they have saved some money.
Of course couples need free time as well. If both parents need to work full time, it’s gonna be a lot less palatable to have kids.
I think the global low fertility is the problem of infinite growth self correcting.
You’re right, when they have the choice, which is also why the Reich Wing wants to limit abortion and contraception and LGBT+ (non-accidentally-reproductive) relationships.
No matter the state of the economy, if you look at birthrate stats in various countries, it goes down with women rights and access to contraception. People just don’t want kids.
“White babies only please” —Cheetolini
I know you were half joking but for everyone else here complaining that 5k ain’t shit (I agree, it’s not), it’s because the incentive is not for you. It’s for rich people (read: rich white people, since poverty disproportionately affects non-white people).
5k might not mean shit to you in trying to raise a child but for someone who already has the means to have/raise a kid, it’s actually bonus money. That’s the incentive.
