I realize this is not necessarily a valid question as the people are involved are likely the ones who can actually solve it, but I’m sure you have ideas and suggestions nontheless.
I’ll take a stab at it. Without trying to wish away things that can’t be wished for.
Transition the administration of the contested area (mandatory Palestine basically) over to a secular representative government. With peacekeeping provided by the UN. The secular government should be completely separate from any religion, but have the right to religion as part of the Constitution.
Encourage massive economic integration between the different ethnic populations. There will be civil turmoil for quite a while, but we’re winning slowly, demonstrating the people the future is better together. It’ll probably take two or three generations until things settle down. So we’re looking at an occupying force for 40 to 60 years.
To add legitimacy to this government, they should have a truth and reconciliation panel covering and forgiving all of the crimes of the past, they should objectively, and harshly come down on any land crimes, hate crimes, religious persecution, religious exclusion, that happens inside the country.
One huge problem, is there is a large population of young men, who don’t have any prospects or hope. So any form of stability is going to come from keeping those men occupied, invested in the future. Be that military service, Peace corps service, education, those men have to be occupied. Otherwise it’ll become a recruiting ground for any religious fascist.
That is probably the best solution, but the devil would be in the details. Who would decide on the government? If it is via democratic elections, then the Jews would have a clear majority and could push for policies favoring them. If it is the UN, I believe Muslim nations are the majority and can influence policies to further Arab interests.
Also, it would not take 40-60 years of not just living as one nation, but forced integration. It would require not just living in the same areas but doing something as drastic forcing all marriages to be interfaith. You would need to destroy people’s identities as Jews or Arabs and replace it with a single national identity.
Remember, they were one nation for the last several decades of the 20th century and it just made them more hostile. As we learned in places like Yugoslavia, forcing old enemies to become a single nation sometimes just makes all the hate grow and ferment.
I think if you look at the entire population, the Jewish makeup 4 million, and the Palestinians about 8 million. When you sum up the populations across both countries.
One problem of direct democracies is the tyranny of the majority. So that would have to be addressed here with some sort of representative government, and a strong constitution that doesn’t allow one group to run rough over the other group. It would be the devil in the details, but it’s important.
I don’t think you need to go so far as forcing interfaith marriages. But giving people opportunities to work with each other, live together, trade with each other, humanizing each other. That takes time. It takes time for the people who suffered injustices to die out, basically. You have to integrate the schools, and the educational system, and the opportunities. You have to remove inequality, and maybe over adjust for apartheid, but get representation in media in the politicians, in the judicial system, in the policing system, integrate the military systems.
Not sure I have a solution, but I’d have to imagine part of the solution would have to be for the U.S. to stop funding the genocide of Palestinians.
Both sides of the conflict putting down their arms and talking peace.
It has been tried quite a few times. Inevitably, one side or the other does something mildly antagonistic, the other side retaliates, and they are back at war.
Maybe the answer is to do the opposite? Start arming both sides to the gills? Any nation going through nuclear disarmament drops of the nukes in no man’s land between the two? Make it so if either nation so much as sneezes wrong, not only is the region glass, but humanity ends in a nuclear winter, so every country in the world has a stake in keeping the peace?
/s, but I really don’t have much hope for peace, sadly
The only way to solve the problem without any of the participants complaining about it is to make the world’s largest pane of glass.
Everyone in the region seems happier fighting than making peace, so it would be unethical to make them quit.
“One cuts, the other chooses.” Just like kids and sharing birthday cake.
Give the Arabs back their land. Give Jews land somewhere in Europe or the U.S. since we’re all so supportive of them.
Surely then the Arabs will give it back to the French, whom they conquered it from at the end of the Crusades … but the French have to give it back to the Arabs … who have to give it back to the Greek Christians that they conquered it from … who have to give it back to the Romans … then the Jews again … then the Assyrians as representative descendants of the Babylonians (note: the Arabs have to give them back Iraq, too) … then the Jews again … then the Spanish, Lebanese, and Sardinians as representative descendants of the Sea Peoples (the original Palestinians) by way of the Carthaginians … then the Jews … then the Canaanites if anyone can find them … eventually it goes back to the Akkadians or something, right?
(Also, I think I left out the Turks [though they’ll be busy in Kazakhstan], the Persians, the Macedonian-Greeks, and a few others …)
Or we can draw a line at the very real point where Britain, in all their hubris, said, “Fuck all y’all Arabs, this land is for the Jews” shortly after WWII.
This is the part I don’t get. You can easily set aside the history from hundreds of years ago because the point you describe is such recent history that there are people still alive who remember when this period of shit started. There is no one alive to settle the dispute about when the area went from Canaan to Israel and who was right/wrong but there is a lot of documented knowledge about what happened when Britain got involved after WWI up through WWII.
Thats a complete arbitrary point in time. Why that one and not one hundred years earlier during the ottoman empire?
Yeah with piling up petty feudal claims I always see appeals to “history” to be intellectually disingenuous and a rather disgusting excuse to kill people. It’s basically revanshism, you know, what Hitler did and Putin’s doing. We haven’t learnt shit from fuck have we. Religion being another terrible excuse. So I agree with you. Can’t we just freeze all the borders and globalize at last? Why all the dumb separation over delusions such as culture, religions and nationalism? I guess pride and inertia won’t allow it.
What happens when a large proportion of the Jewish people currently in Israel refuse to leave?
They’re not actually. Its more like the enemy of my enemy sort of thing, thats the reason so many jews ended up in Israel in the first place because of the anti–semitism and discrimination, genocide, etc, you name it in western countries. Have you not heard about the rise of european and american nationalism in recent years. Both areas, especially europe, claim that they are at over capacity. All this rhetoric came about with the african and syrian refugee rise. The USA to this day does not have a reciprocal visa status for Israelis, they have to apply for a visa and maybe they get approved just to even transit in the USA. Such great friends are they? USA supports the war, but you will be hard pressed to find their support in other areas of basic life. The have partnership in the field of medicine as well, but Israel does a lot of the supplying in new tech and research. A lot of “american support” is rooted in evanglicalist christinanity, which means they only support israel if they stay in israel. They want all the jews to go to Israel, that is their support. How would they feel about them not in Israel? I’ve read a few accounts as how evangelicals have a mission to make jews move to israel by any means necessary even if that means making their lives hard or doing discrimination against them to get them to leave. They dont want them to be comfortable NOT in israel, nor are they so good with sharing, even amongst their own american people. The USA has one of the worst affordable and housing and homeless crisis in the world.
i vote florida. lets declare florida new Israel. keep all those nukes we paid for close to home.
Put them somewhere undesirable like south dakota.
I’ve heard that South Dakota is actually alright, it’s North Dakota that sucks.
Fun fact… “palestine” was south dakota to the arabs around it, which is why jews were able to quickly buy up and settle major portions of the land. not many people wanted it in the condition it was in. I know that people dispute this, but I’m still waiting to hear the proof of the fertile land and economic powerhouse it was that almost left it abandoned by the major powers of the time (ottomans) Realisticaly speaking though, south dakota is extremely desirable to Israelis given a scale of what they had in the 1800s to 1940s, for one trees and rain.
You can’t solve centuries of racism and hate when it’s deeply religious.
That said, assuming whatever I say happens, I’d close the borders and let it figure itself out. They’ll sort it or our figure out how to survive without imports or exports.
Buddy, that’s going to lead to genocide… I say as a genocide is currently taking place.
I do not believe there is an ethical or practical way to resolve the conflict as the political forces on either side want nothing but the complete removal of the other side from the land they see as theirs and theirs alone.
Israel has made many attempts to share the land and has allowed to them live in territories within the land for decades. I dont know how you get to “complete removal” from those actions and facts. On the other hand, expelling jews is pattern among arab nations, the ones in Israel and the ones outside of it after 1948. This is why people talk about anti-semitism and racism regarding this conflict, because the jews living in arab countries post 1948 were not israelis, yet they were discriminated and expelled from their native lands. The jews of yemen, as far as I know, did not wage war against the government of yemen and conduct terrorirst attacks on their fellow yemenis. The government of yemen one day decided to expell them and steal their lands without a war and without a claim of self defense becuse the jews were not fighting them. No doubt there is racism among jews towards arabs, but I’m specifically commenting about “complete removal” comment. You realize there is a difference between expulsion aka complete removal, ethnic cleansing, and current immigration policies? Just because Israel may let in more jews than non jews into the country doesnt mean they are also simultanaously expelling non jews from the country, those are two different things.
Did you just start this thread so you could tell people they’re wrong?
I never said anyone is wrong, I’m just bring more information into each comment. I openly believe in discussion and to do that we need an influx of information and new ideas, not repeated arguments and justifications, thats why the question is for how you would “solve” it a complete solution, not just a comment about how you think something one side does is not good according to your own morality, education, or life experience. The fact is people think they way they do because of propoganda and misinformation, exposition to information is the path to enlightenment and hopefully, solving problems. Those who close their ears and refuse to listen cannot resolve problems or learn anything new. Technically everyone is wrong, because it is still not “solved”. Unless the status quo is the answer?
If there where no plans for those jews to create a country inside an already populated person. Arabs would had no problem with them. Jews are minority in Tunisia and are living peacefully with muslims
yea you’re just saying they’re okay with it as long as they are a minority and have no authority or power (if we are assuming majority rules?) isn’t that the apartheid people are speaking of? What happens if jews in tunisia start rapidly reproducing and immigrating there, like mexicans comining to the USA? Sure, they’ll be okay with that.
Israel has made many attempts to share the land and has allowed to them live in territories within the land for decades
Bruh, they’re annexing the West Bank. If that’s your idea of sharing, I’n dying to see what you think bullshit looks like.
Gandhi would say that Israelis should raise Palestinian orphans, but to be sure to raise them as good Muslims
That depends on your goals. What are they?
I would increase the landmass on Earth such that the Earth itself was only 50% ocean. I would do so in a grand display of power utilizing some sort of ancient and supreme Titan, one that brings into undeniable question the foundation of all world religions and even evolution itself. Now having shown that I possess the power of a god. I would descend upon Israel and the surrounding lands and demand all of them migrate to one of the many new landmasses, so that I may reign in my new palace from a place of former conflict, symbolically showing that increasing the amount of landmass in the world helps end conflicts. Should any people resist, I shall simply displace them forcefully with a shower of Precipice Blades. The water displaced for the new land masses would be evaporated into the atmosphere, leaving behind a large amount of salt and eventually precipitating back down as fresh water. While in the atmosphere a large amount of the Earth would be covered in dense clouds cooling it and causing an Ice Age that staves off Global Warming, but creating harsh temporary conditions that the Israelites and Palestinians must learn to live and overcome together as they worship their new god… Me. Eventually power will corrupt me and I will grow tyrannical. Then the either binary son or daughter of an Israeli-Palestinian couple will stand up to me, capturing other beings of power to fight me in a grand battle, at the age of 10 uears old.
