Perfection.
i actually knew one of these powerusers in the early 2010s. he had leukemia, and i signed up to be a match to donate spinal marrow for him. i visited him in the hospital a bunch. he hasn’t acknowledged me since. that was a real bummer, but, i tend to see friends where they don’t exist so that might be on me.
i am a little bummed that i got permabanned just because i was so close to all of the reddit founders and early employees. i personally prevented alexis from getting arrested for trying to openly smoke weed on the street in pittsburgh when it was still the kind of thing that got you put in prison for a few years if your skin is darker than popcorn.
steve huffman in particular is a shitter and always has been. think of that kid you knew growing up who would make up that his dad worked at SEGA and that Goku was going to be in the next Sonic game — that’s spez, still, to this day. he is “mr. namedropper.” steve, genuinely, i do not care that you saw Beyoncé at the airport.
ETA: since people are being weird about phrasing, i signed up to be a match. his alias back then was Dacvac. i literally sat in bars and watched him mod /r/pics on an iPad. believe me or don’t, i’m just some schmoe online after all.
believe me or don’t
It doesnt really matter either way but I’m inclined to believe you because you aren’t exactly going to get kudos for being close to reddit founders on the fediverse so this is more like a confession than a brag. FWIW I enjoyed the context.
Idek what reddits target audience is anymore seems to be chronically online teen girls typically on snark/fanfic social media pages are becoming the majority, all they talk about is random drama and reality shows so they arent getting banned for saying stuff lol
he had leukemia, and i signed up to donate spinal marrow for him.
if you had actually donated bone marrow, you would know that’s not how this works.
i had signed up to see if I am a match, which i would have donated if i had been selected. please show me where i mentioned actually donating bone marrow.
That sounds quite different. Wording matters, especially in times of bot posts and clout posts.
Also, no one signs up to be tested for a match with a specific person, not at those odds. So your new wording still doesn’t reflect how typisation (not sure about that word) is done.
The fuck? Yes it does, I lost a close friend to leukemia, and a ton of us went in to see if we would match with him. I don’t know where you got your info from but you %100 can do this. It works the same damn way with organ donating as well.
That sounds like it must’ve been rough. I’m sorry for your loss.
I don’t wish that shit even on people I don’t like, watching him go from a big happy guy who was 3 years from retirement to a skeleton in like 4 months was devastating. Adult leukemia is such a fucked up thing. He didn’t even know he had it until it was to late. Any time my wife and I, and his wife go out to our favorite Mexican restaurant, it’s like a nice little reminder he is with us still joking and eating the hottest salsa they make. I really miss him, but do remember the fun years we had with him. Really sucks he’s gone though.
Get your blood tested on a regular people, it might save your life.
I am sorry but you misunderstood the process. You do not check whether you match with a specific patient, but rather typisation is done to add potential donors to a larger database, from which hopefully a donor match is already available even before, because the chances for a match are so low that you can have a couple million people checked until you find a match. This is not blood groups.
Not even close, we worked with his doc and all had HLA tests done to see if we were a match for him. They also did the larger registery match list as well, but saying we didn’t is bullshit.
It seems the doc validated your feelings that you wanted to help your friend then, but also set you up for disappointment by not telling you the odds, and that you were much more likely to be a match for some complete stranger.
Jesus fucking christ, shut the fuck up.
The hell you on about? People do that all the time.
I’m part of a big group now that is in a pool doctors all over the US can check to see if they can find a match for people, because a friend of mine died from leukemia a long time ago. They couldn’t find a match for him, but maybe I can match with someone else someday.
BTW, gonna shamelessly plug NMDP. They do good work.
See you mentioned the important bit: we get checked to be in a large database pool for potential patients. Not to match with a specific friend, because as nice as that would be, it is very unlikely to ever happen.
So? There’s no harm in trying anyways. Why are you so against a small test on the off-chance it could save a friend’s life? It’s not as if you’re being asked to submit a whole kidney for testing or something.
I’m not “against” it per se, but I would think - given the odds - it would be shitty to get tested without participating in the huge database.
your continued effort in this conversation is admirable and also an admission…
Interesting… Can anyone verify one way or another?
Who fucking cares?
Yes, those people who know how bone marrow type matching works, and what the odds are. Also, OC has confirmed in their response that they didn’t get to the point of a donation. And found better - albeit not entirely correct - wording for the process they allegedly signed up for.
Stop doubling down on stupid shit and admit that you fucked up. It’s not that hard.
Digg went sideways because of “power users,” among other things.
Eh. There’s more than one kind of poweruser. The “people who are too online” are very different from the “accounts that exist to leverage social media for advertisement”.
Social media thrives on the whale users who are churning out content and hungry for engagement. It goes to shit when you’ve got your front page clogged with Native Ads and other shameless marketing gimmicks.
Digg’s powerusers were often revealed to be selling their influence.
Many of these accounts weren’t just freelancers. They were set up by marketing agencies, often with the explicit support of the social media hosting firm.
Like, its in the fucking business model to sell artificial engagement and promotion.
Might not even be a bad business model per say, if the promoted material wasn’t so consistently slop.
Mrbabyman
“churning out content” aka reposting old memes
The Internet, the fediverse included, seems like it’s mostly just different buckets all containing the slop.
Lol well played
“Five websites filled with screenshots of each other”
Rest in peace, I_RAPE_CATS.
I think we are in a much different time than the Digg days. Reddit has much more power over their users than Digg ever did. If you leave Reddit, you are leaving all your niche communities and the boatload of user created content.
I left as an active user, but if I want to see conversations about the latest episode of whatever show I’m watching, there is always an active discussion on Reddit. Or if I’m looking for some BIFL suggestions, I almost always end up on a Reddit thread from 2 years ago with exactly what I was looking for and 8 different opinions.
I am hopeful that all this stuff will slowly make its way to Lemmy, but until then, Reddit is in no danger of losing its user base.
a lot of people aren’t old enough to remember that when the digg exodus happened, reddit didn’t even have subreddits yet. it was just links on one page, and we built our little subculture in the comments of each thread. that’s why there is such a culture of commenting before reading the article (if at all) — it used to be a big, disorganized blob of chatty nonsense, much like Fark or MetaFilter were at the time too.
reddit is a lovely example of how tech companies from 1995 to 2020 fell into success and figured out what their product does later down the line. to quote homer simpson when asked what his tech company does, “we’re a website that sells computers… or… a computer that sells websites, I haven’t decided yet.”
Wow, I’m definitely old enough, but I didn’t realize that.
check it out: https://web.archive.org/web/20060117004220/http://reddit.com/
if you look at a lot of this stuff now, it’ll be assigned to a subreddit called “/r/reddit.com”
While this is true, it’s funny to watch them wrestle with the exact same problems right now. Literally on the front page of new Digg right now is converstions about fragmenting the user-base with blocks/bans, and how to establish friend groups.
Wait is digg making some kind of comeback now?
Its web 3.0 bullshit from what I remember when everyone was hyping it up on reddit.
Apparently.
I was like digg all over again
I know there’s at least one admin that also moderates r/news. That’s how I got permbanned a second time. They don’t like it when you point out obvious bots.
You’d think Spez’s “landed gentry” would have better things to do.
So thats why Ibwas perma banned too
One of my older Reddit accounts was blocked on several top subs for abusing the report button.
One of those super mods posted a photo of someone endangering their pet on multiple subs. The content was literally against site-wide rules but also broke sub-level rules on each of the subs it was posted. I reported the photo on each sub it was posted to separately. Unbeknownst to me at the time, that super mod was a mod of every single one of those subs. So, they had the ability to ban/block me on each one for “abuse”.
It’s kinda sad really that reddit mods get a power trip from banning people when reddit accounts are disposable unless you care about karma for some reason. I got banned site wide and from various subs multiple times and it would only take a few minutes to be up and running again with a new account. I even had a script to transfer over my subscriptions. Never got done for ban evasion either, despite having a static IP address. It got to the point where I’d create a new account at least once a month even if I wasn’t banned just to have a clean slate.
i wonder how many of these four have secret ties to three letter agencies.
There’s more than circumstantial evidence that Ghislaine Maxwell was a power user and mod.
the fuck
whoa, an actually well-researched r/conspiracy post. like, incredibly well done.
wow. fuck reddit even more if this is true.
Nah, why would she use her name if she wanted to stay anonymous.
Why do tigers have orange stripes in the jungle if they’re for camouflage and the jungles green
Because the animals they are camouflaged from have dichromatic vision, so to those animals they look the same as black and green and blend in well.
Humans are weird in our trichromatic vision, and are not the target of that camouflage.
have you seen it in action? works damn good on us too
I was hoping this would come up here.
This is how Digg fell.
Which explains why the Tetrarchs are so hardcore about deleting messages about it. Digg’s death brought Reddit to prominence; they don’t want the inverse to happen.
The tighter you hold onto sand, the more it falls through your fingers.
Nobody suggested it was a good idea.
No that happened because they rolled out a completely new method of submitting posts where paid partners could have direct access to the front page.
That rollout further cemented the superusers dominating the front page issue, who were likely already being paid to promote certain sources/topics. Half the front page was dominated by mrbabyman.
It just made it more official.
Ha! I had forgotten about mrbabyman, thank you for that reference!
I think we are kind of splitting hairs, myself included.
I believe we kind of all collectively share an understanding that Reddit is controlled and users are shown what the powers behind the curtain want the users to see.
Something about the way Digg went about announcing how the front page was literally for sale, as a good thing, seems like a very quaint memory. From a naive time when somebody at the c-level literally thought it was okay to broadcast to the entire user base that now the site is for advertisers and whatever messaging was bought & paid for.
I mean…
I’m deleting this message with this edit because it was ill-conceived and hastily dashed together and submitted without appropriate thought and care
Your message just killed my parents.
Want to know what’s fucked? People on Reddit are openly advocating for Concentration Camps and the Mods have ID gated subs like alcoholics anonymous but if I bring up things like the leader of a sitting political party not only saying we should fund the Taliban with tax payers money but presenting it as a flagship policy for this party, I get my comment removed and my account shadow banned.
That’s where we are on Reddit right now.
Their Contributor Quality Score is basically the social media equivalent of a Social Credit Score. Not like karma, it’s a whole other system that demands you produce content for them or get shadow banned. It’s bonkers.
It’s insane that there isn’t more pushback against this. Like karma wasn’t enough, they needed to add a hidden gestapo system to degrade user experience even more.
I know, I can’t imagine the meetings that people must have had to design this system and then think they’ve done a good job.
Jesus that’s Dystopian.
I mean it wouldn’t be the FIRST time an inexplicably beloved and dementia ridden Republican has funded the Taliban.
I was referring to the UK. IIRC Farage is very much a monarchist.
I’m not sure how that’s different at all to Lemmy. This place regularly hands out bans and removes shit all the time.
And you can Look Up everything in the Mod log and complain about the ban on other instances. Or even host your own instance.
Practically that doesn’t change the end result. You’re still just creating a new account and evading bans. You still have to deal with. Ml people right? Did bitching about it in discord do anything?
You can migrate entire instances to new domains if you want to go crazy with it.
Complaining about the ban does about as much good on Lemmy as it does on Reddit.
That said, the anti-multiaccount checks are far worse on Lemmy than on Reddit.
The difference is here it is actually a human and you can reason with them. Reddit banned me because I reported CSAM being sold on the site too often and made too much if a stink about this.
I disagree entirely for many, if not most communities. I also have my doubts about Reddit banning you for CSAM. There is more to it than that, or you just were extremely inaccurate.
I was perma banned from reddit for reporting an ICE raid… reason? Promoting race based hatred.
I’m not saying the auto bans haven’t gotten out of control. I’m just saying I don’t believe they were banned for reporting CSAM.
I’d believe it.
You should reread the post because you are misreading it.
They banned me for report violations for frequently reporting links to CSAM for sale in a specific sub reddit.
I was not banned for CSAM.
I dont care what you believe and it is odd for you to post like anyone should care what you think. We dont know you.
Subs are ID gated because of laws like the Online Safety Act in the UK. Yes I had to contact my MP about that. The government apparently care more about concerned moms than they do about the opinion of actual technical people or freedom of speech.
The government apparently care more about concerned moms than they about the opinion of actual technical people or freedom of speech.
You are the first person I have actually encountered in any discussion of the OSA who mention “concerned parents” because I don’t think they’re getting enough blame for what the OSA has done. Like they’re constantly either running articles like “The OSA would’ve saved my child’s life” or “The OSA doesn’t go far enough” and they have been the the crux of the whole shitshow from day one.
Like we know Data Collectors, Social Authoritarians, and Government Spies have been the people doing most of the leg work but I don’t think it would have passed if not for the years of “think of the children”. Even the parents of Brianna Ghey, the murdered transgender teen, is saying that “if we had the OSA, my child would be alive”, ignoring the fact the mainstream press and the government itself played a bigger role in her death than the internet ever did. The current fucking prime minister MOCKED TRANSGENDER PEOPLE in front of Brianna’s father along with the then Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
Yeah it’s a shitshow. Honestly makes me glad I don’t have kids. I don’t want to think about the ridiculous opinions I might collect just by being a parent. It’s like how parents who used to sniff lines and shag 9s suddenly want their teenagers to be celibate and not even touch cannabis. It’s honestly so bizarre. Like if having kids makes you this crazy you probably shouldn’t have them.
Should? We’ve been funding al queada…
AA is Id gated? what?? I’m pretty sure I’ve just posted on that subreddit within the last month and id never give it my id. not to mention it’s fucking anonymous.
I straight up don’t believe you
Yeah, so fun fact: a lot of support group subreddits were blocked under the OSA. Some were unblocked, but the point still stands.
The reason why they got blocked is that, when you look at sections 60 through 62, it’s actually really vague and could block a lot of dark, distressing but necessary content. Like children’s charities have voiced concerns over this. A forum for single dads and forums for people with certain medical conditions in the UK have had to shut down, and some sfw subreddits have been age blocked for LGBT content.
Also, there are two parties who effectively decide what gets blocked: The website and the Government, and the Websites don’t want to get in trouble with the government so they overblock. Some people have used the OSA for propaganda purposes, for example, the OSA gives an exemption for news media, so you can talk about things like Jimmy Savile and terrorism, but Twitter blocked posts that would be legal under this exception to claim it was the government who did that.
On top of that, it’s the websites and services who have to run the age checking service, which is why a lot of sites have shutdown or geoblocked the UK, because they don’t have the money or resources. In short, the law is vague and service providers had to overblock to cover their arses.
what does any of this have to do with AA
Because some of the age gated subs included help forms for alcoholics.
“Yeah but how is lemme any different?”
Because you can’t really ban someone from a lemmy instance. The userbase is the type of people to get around rules like that if they want.
you can, but let’s ignore that for a moment.
so you got banned from a community on lemmy, eh?
just go join another community with 8k less users and has a new post once every four weeks.
I suppose you could post more on that community, right?
oops, looks like the mod there is the same one that banned you with an alt on a different instance. you’re banned here as well.
lemmy is isn’t immune to the corruption on Reddit because it’s a different platform. it’s corruptible because the users are all from Reddit.
humans are trash, that’s why we need to shift how moderation functions online.
Honestly the biggest problem is that people don’t fight unfair moderation in the first place. Mods should be shamed for these practices and if they engage in them, every tool at our disposal should be used to annoy them into quitting moderation altogether.
How do we shift to a new form of moderation? What would that look like? I was rightly banned from a community on my lemmy, but my main issue is that I wanted to apologize and ask for an unban, but there’s no “message the mods” button, and it seems that particular person blocked me.
Sorry, I’m rambling, I don’t think this is what you were talking about…
that is exactly what I’m talking about.
I won’t go into too deep of detail, I’ve covered a lot of it here.
today, the goal of the mod is to prune and remove undesired content and users. this creates high overhead and operational costs. it also increases chances for corruption and community instability.
you have experienced some of this instability. a mod banned you and you had no recourse to correct the behavior. this can also be used by corrupt mods to silence the community at large. I believe there was a post about Reddit having 400 subs modded by the same 4 people or something like that.
the same flaw exists here as well.
I believe that the community should moderate itself. if the content or comment hits a downvote threshold it’s hidden/silenced. mods should only get involved as stewards of the community, ensuring that abuses of the system aren’t taking place and taking action against individuals that “game the system”. they could not, for example, take action unless the silenced user reports it as such. again, if you abuse the system you might be permanently silenced.
notice I keep saying silenced instead of blocked? that’s because we shouldn’t block their access to content or the community or even let them know nobody is seeing their content. in the case of malicious users/bots. the more time wasted on screaming into a void the less time wasted on corrupting another community. in-fact, I propose we allow these silenced users to interact with each other where they can continue to toxify and abuse each other in a spiraling chain of abuse that eventually results in their permanent silencing.
this should be a core tenant to an open forum. anyone can interact, but if the community at large has voted to silence you they shouldn’t need to listen to you.
IMO bans should only be used for the most heinous users. users that post illegal content that jeopardizes the community at large. further, those bans should be administered by the instance admin/owner.
Yeah, Lemmy is different, reddit is hell. Lemmy is a little irritating, but Reddit is full of cops and fascists
You absolutely can ban a user from an lemmy instance.
True, but the difference in the moderation suite is immense. Reddit makes it laughably easy to ban and black hole users with a single button press. Some users are banned preemptively by auto mod rules and subreddit settings. I believe there are more banned users than active users on most large subreddits.
I actually got banned from this community on my old lemm.ee account under the same username. So I don’t make actual posts here. Idk if I’m even technically supposed to be commenting, so 🤫
Even so, Lemmy is nothing like what Reddit has become. Any platform is susceptible, but Reddit is now controlled by people who are out to prove a Fred Phelps like point about free speech. If you can’t say whatever you want, whenever you want, to anyone you want, go out of your way to ruin it for everybody and die miserable and alone.
Even if that does end up happening here, somebody else will just build back something new and a little better to replace it.
Fascists complained for decades about being censored on the internet and in that time what did they actually do? Did they actually build their own alternatives that anybody wanted to use, or did they just scheme and claw their way to the top to take over what somebody else made and force what they wanted on to everyone?
It’s true, they’ve basically made just about every popular internet platform unuseable in like 9 months, but that has also driven more people to just seek alternatives, and other people to focus on building them or making what already exists more user friendly. So when people just stop using that garbage, what happens to all those paid sponsors? Do they just keep paying to advertise to no one?
The dead internet theory just kind of assumes that people will want to keep using these platforms to witness bots argue instead of interacting with other people, but I can’t even really scroll through Reddit or Substack anymore bc I know there’s better content somewhere else that isn’t being controlled to keep a narrative going.
I tried to look for a very specific topic on YouTube yesterday, and got so frustrated with only having an endless stream of short clips of influencers instead of the one thing that I actually wanted, that I ended up just making an account on peertube. There’s not much content on there (yet), but the small amount that is there is sooo much more interesting than 99% of the garbage being force fed by YouTube.
I’m pretty sure that’s actually how capitalism is supposed to work when a “free market” isn’t being completely controlled by oligarchs. Like if this product sucks, and this other product is available and better, why would I keep using the shitty product unless somebody is tightly controlling the market and not allowing any competition?
I was talking to somebody yesterday about how being forced to switch to open source platforms has actually made me somewhat more optimistic for the future in general. Once somebody destroys something you love, it’s just gone. It sucks, but there’s a good chance you’ll probably never get back what was destroyed. You can’t go home again, but you can always try to rebuild something new, and make it a little better than before.
Did they actually build their own alternatives that anybody wanted to use,
Right wingers functionally excluded from major platforms more or less until Musk bought Twitter actually did create their own spaces. Several of which got made functionally inaccessible from mobile devices, or removed from search engines or otherwise actively prevented from growing organically, many of them eventually being quietly put back after any buzz around them had died down. Think Gab, Parler, various .win sites that are reddit-like, etc.
Hell, at one point the largest Mastodon instance was literally one such space that had had it’s own app banned from the app stores for being an uncensored far right space, and then several of the major general Mastodon clients made their clients refuse to connect to that specific instance at the client level as well. If you’ve ever seen a Mastodon client on say the Play store with negative reviews saying that it couldn’t connect to the largest instance, that’s because at the time the largest Mastodon instance was technically Gab.
But that’s not really creating anything new. Why did nobody just make an exclusively right wing alternative to mastodon? Idk anything about Parler, but it just seems like it’s easy to just try to make a space on an existing platform, but if you join something that was built by somebody else, you’re being provided a space within what they built.
If the right feels like they don’t want to be restricted whatsoever by the requirements of being part of a platform or institution, why has nobody really built a right wing alternative from the ground up?
Most of Project 2025 is based on Paul Weyrich deciding that the U.S. is beyond redemption in his opinion, and he says that the path forward for the right should be the homeschool model and for the right to create their own institutions.
But that’s not what’s actually happening. They’re not building any new institutions and offering them as an alternative open to anyone on the right that wants to join. They’re just taking over existing institutions, and turning them into what they wanted. It’s like they’re doing this only to prove a point that what they want should be the way that everyone lives their lives, and since society didn’t want that, they’re going to have to force it on society.
If the entire basis of your movement is that society should be focused on and built around a very narrow section of all of society, why would it be surprising that the majority of society wouldn’t want to willingly be part of your movement since they don’t fit into it?
This is like if some people that were obsessed with frisbee golf got mad bc other sports exist, so they took over every football stadium to try and force every football fan to become a fan of Frolf.
Realistically what would happen? Everybody suddenly accepts that frolf is the new football because a small group of people wanted it and now it’s your only option? Even if they can somehow hold on to power indefinitely, and keep all those football stadiums frolf only, would people really just stop playing football or would they just go literally anywhere else and play there instead? Even if it meant you might just have to start out playing in an empty field or parking lot somewhere with only a few other people, and slowly grow from there. People will just make new football stadiums or soccer stadiums or tennis courts bc not everybody wants to be forced to just play frolf.
Why did nobody just make an exclusively right wing alternative to mastodon?
…but they did, and were broadly prevented from growing organically. See Parler and Gab.
Gab actually changed it’s underlying backend twice. They started with their own thing, Google and Apple cut their app off from the app stores so they switched to something that was a common protocol rather than a dedicated app and moved to Mastodon as a way to route around censorship. Most Mastodon servers promptly defederated them for being right wingers, and several of the major Mastodon clients built in client level mandatory blacklists causing their client to refuse to connect to Gab (in some cases Gab was the entire blacklist) - you can see which ones because they have some older store reviews about “refusing to connect to the largest Mastodon instance” because for a time that was Gab. Later on, they moved to something involving crypto somehow, I’m not really sure about the details.
Parler appeared, got big fast, got kneecapped by Google, Apple and Amazon and by the time they recovered had lost most of any momentum they ever had.
They even produced their own Reddit-alike, spread across several .win domains - that was a thing that happened in response to the biggest Trumper community getting banned from Reddit. That original community migrated to TheDonald.win and later rebranded as Patriots.win.
Truth Social is basically what Gab/Parler wanted to be, but big Tech doesn’t want to fight against Trump because he’s exactly the kind of petty asshole to fuck them over for considering it. Truth Social is of course Mastodon under the hood with federation disabled.
But if we presume fediverse apps are a protocol rather than a proprietary product (which is usually how they are sold to users, making analogies to things like email or the web as compared to a proprietary system) why would you need to reinvent the wheel? No one is arguing that we need an exclusively communist alternative to email or the web.
Actually truth social would be the perfect example, but again, how many people do you hear talking about how much they enjoy truth social? It’s true nobody wants to be sued by Trump, but that’s not really support as much as fear and its own form of censorship.
Truth Social is always there if you want it, but is it really censorship that keeps more people from using it or is it to some extent capitalism working?
If you have a truly free market people will just go to another platform bc there’s no reason they have to use X, or Truth Social, or Mastodon, or BlueSky unless one person (or a group of oligarchs) buys all of them and controls the market. If one of those platforms fails, can you really blame it on censorship?
Musk bought X bc he claimed he wanted to have free speech and to get rid of all the bots, but he did neither. Now that place is mainly a bot fueled echo chamber. It’s just not an enjoyable platform to use anymore, and most users have switched to an alternative like bluesky.
I personally don’t really like Bluesky either, but I know a lot of people that do. Even though it’s not a right wing platform, it’s still seems very difficult for content to actually reach people organically. The same is true with Substack, and you have even less control of the content that appears on your feed. I hate IG for that reason too (among many others).
Algorithm control and bot armies always eventually becomes a weird form of censorship. It happens on every platform (even lemmy to a lesser extent), and at a certain point it makes the platform just unusable. There are definitely accounts like that on Mastodon too, and I still use it for some things but don’t really interact much on there bc of the same reason.
It’s almost like an uncanny valley situation. Like at a certain point the bots go from a tool that helps to generate user interest and grow a platform, to just over saturating and creating dead internet vibes. Like you can tell when a narrative is being controlled or generated by a sudden swarm of users and it’s very off-putting.
Reddit has gotten so bad about this that you will have posts that just can’t be upvoted at all, with like a hilariously impossible ratio of upvotes to comments. Then those “user” recommendation posts that are clearly just advertisements are the worst. I used to rely on Reddit for advice and information on things like that bc I was talking to other humans without an agenda to sell me something. Now I usually just assume any recommendation on Reddit is an advertisement and ignore it.
Google and Apple cut their app off from the app stores so they switched to something that was a common protocol rather than a dedicated app and moved to Mastodon as a way to route around censorship
Apple and Google didn’t want to lose business by associating with something the majority of people found off-putting, but is that really censorship?
Again you’re relying on an existing platform to take on supporting your messaging instead of just promoting it yourself. Couldn’t you just rely on a user base sharing a link to download an app rather than putting it in one of the stores?
No one is arguing that we need an exclusively communist alternative to email or the web.
But that is also why so many users or instances block instances like .grad and to a lesser extent .ml, and some people do argue they should be de-federated.
I don’t think that’s really necessary. I’m glad to have the ability to talk to and interact with people I don’t agree with on everything. There’s .ml users here that have been very helpful with things nobody else was able to help me with. (I’m actually glad we’re able to have this conversation we’re having.)
But, I’ve also been blocked from .ml communities without any warning bc I shared images of Xinnie the Pooh. So, i’m sure there are some people on the left who willingly identify as tankies, and would enjoy a completely separate dedicated safe space on the internet for communism or leftist authoritarianism. If they made one, it would very likely end up running into the same issues as Gab/Parler, but I still wouldn’t believe that censorship is to blame for its failure.
It’s just difficult to create a market for a very niche and exclusionary product that a lot of people find off-putting due to extremist content.
Til they come back with hundreds of alts because being banned was such an offense to them.
As they should.
At one point while I was still on Reddit I learned that there was another site that indexed the users with the highest post and comment scores. I looked at the top of the list and saw accounts that were relentless repost monsters. I went ahead and blocked all of them, and my Reddit experience immediately improved, as I stopped seeing the exact same shit reposted over and over, day after day. Then the API-ocalypse came, and I walked away and never looked back.
Me: This video of a POS attacking a sleeping person (literally drop elbowing him in the head with the potential of snapping the neck) on the NYC subway with malicious assault says more about all of the people watching and filming while doing nothing about it than the attacker.
Reddit: You are permanently suspended from Reddit.
3 days ago.
Well, you referenced the potential death of a human which their advertisers definitely do not approve of. Luckily for them, the mods caught your horribly violent comment before it could reach the masses. The fact you were only permabanned, and not charged with a crime against humanity, is a blessing indeed!
Please be careful in the future when using words that might make someone else feel something, especially if that person (who you don’t know) might have to face an uncomfortable reality. It’s only fair that we censor genuine human expression in the name of brand image. After all, the advertisers are what’s keeping the lights on around here. If we stopped listening to their demands, god knows what kind of horrible society might emerge.
All extremely valid points, and in the future I will disable all adblockers and self-censor to keep the
blood moneyresources flowing.This happened to me about a week ago
And then somehow my account got banned for 3 days
And then once the ban was up Reddit let me know that they’d looked into it and found nothing concerning
Gotta love automated banning
Hey dude, he’s an attorney threatening to shoot people on the internet. If you legitimately know who he is, go see an attorney. He’s fucked and you can get some money. I am literally the only person in my immediate family who is not an attorney, and I worked in a legal-adjacent field for a long time.
🤣 ssshhhhhsh hunny, adults are talking.
I wonder how Lemmy compares.
Well i just saw pugjesus move ~10 comms to piefed so…
Definitely more than 10.
Some people have the time to be terminally online, and end up running everything just by sheer omnipresence.
Most communities in the fediverse, to be fair, are pretty empty compared to their reddit counterpart
So like early Reddit.
Eh, we are a lot smaller still I think. Reddit may have had about ~40x the users that Lemmy has at this stage. But you never know, we may get some random spike down the line. When you have 1 or 2 people in a community people give up, but if you have 20-40 it may seem pretty active and stay alive and grow.
How should moderation work, instead?
I have always liked the balanced approach that slashdot has.
Users are asked by automation to moderate once they demonstrate reasonable engagement statistically. Then they are assigned a number of comments or posts to rate, not just updown votes but assign qualities, such as funny or insightful. This makes reading long threads more friendly.
Also, more reliable moderators are invited to evaluate other moderations! Accountability!
I am not sure why the model wasn’t popular elsewhere.
because it’s not centralized power. people like power.
SOME particular kinds of people. Some are constitutionally opposed to unequal distribution.
No idea, I don’t know enough about the ins and outs of moderation to weigh in.
I absolutely think that’s part of the strength of Lemmy.
I have no idea why the Lemmy devs copied the reddit “lords and peasants” model of moderated interactions, and I don’t know if Lemmy will survive long term against the tide of corruption that Reddit is in the late stages of right now. But at least it’s pretty easy to move to a different fiefdom if you want to. If, for example, your home server lemmy.world gets all enshittified and filled with obnoxious interactions, you can just up and leave and still keep nearly all of your engagement if other people are in agreement.
You can take a look at lemmy.ml or blahaj and see what Lemmy could look like if that wasn’t possible. To me, moving servers when stuff gets weird is a healthy thing.
Defederation by nature will help that. On Reddit if the admins didn’t want “RandomTopic” they could ban it or lock it and other variants. On Lemmy you always go to another instance and make it there and the admins of the original instance can pound sand. And if they go as far to defederate there are still other instances out there that federate with it.
I had a conversation with a particular Lemmy-instance admin after getting banned for having the wrong opinions, and you could feel through the screen how frustrated he was that he couldn’t just mechanically prevent me from saying certain things, because of being accustomed to being in an environment where he could dictate what conversations were allowed, and everyone had to be nice to him. To the point that it was this wild out-of-pocket thing if someone could speak to him without having to “talk up” to him. It was kind of fun honestly lol.
Lots of people like that IRL. I can’t stand them but for some reason people find them charming. And they are always trying to manipulate and pit people against one another for their lulz. They love spreading rumors and talking shit behind people’s backs.
Ugh. I know someone like this currently. Easier to just ignore them. Sad part is they’ve actively made a friend of our group just… worse. Dude is way more emotionally volatile, doesn’t wanna better himself at all, and smokes weed at all hours of the day.
I wouldn’t be upset at all if the jackass was just ruining his own life (As everyone including his own mother realizes what he is eventually) but him taking my buddy down to his level is infuriating. Hell, I actually think less of my friend now for falling for that shit too.
Lemmy recreating the free market haha
the problem is people.
no technology can prevent people from suffering from the errors of human psychology.
people want to feel powerful and control other people. they want to boost the things they like/agree with, and silence those they don’t.
some people do that by becoming internet site moderators.
We had a whole drama cycle about /c/196 trying to move. But this one didn’t even get a peep :D
I am also very curious about this. Why do we have 3 196s?
196 was run by a group of mods on Blahaj who had a disagreement with the admin. They decided to move to Lemmy.world and closed the 196 community on Blahaj.
People who preferred to stay on Blahaj disagreed, and started a competing 196 on Blahaj run by a different group of mods.
Following continued backlash over the move, the mod team that migrated to Lemmy.world reopened the original 196 to attempt to save some face.
After that, a de facto 196 was never decided upon, and so there are now just 3 of them which are visited by largely the same audience.
Sounds a bit like medieval pope drama.
But we get good memes out of it, so why not?
I love that comparison.
It can be noted that the original comm on blahaj.zone gets drastically less traffic than before, and I don’t think anyone uses the .world comm at all. Most activity is at /c/onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Honestly, even moderating ~10 comms is a bit much. I couldn’t imagine doing 25, much less 125.
Move as in Moderates or about posting content?
Because the mods here aren’t an absolute force since the instance owners have the final word about how someone moderates or if they have control over too many comms.Can’t remember right now, but there have been some problems about mods power tripping and getting banned for it, that said, when the instance owner is the problem, the only smart move is to jump instances.
That’s why I’ve always said to think of your account as disposable, shit can always go bad because we are all humans.If you mean because he posts a lot… Well that’s everyone’s fault for not posting.
If more people posted at least once, you wouldn’t see only the same dudes posting everywhere.I do love how easy it is to block people on here. If I see the same article spammed over a bunch of instances, it’s block time for that user cos then I just assume they’re a bot.
At the moment the Threadiverse has not enough users. But as soon as this is becoming a problem, it is the instance Admins job to carefully manage power user moderators. If the Admins don’t do their job, the instance should be federated.
lol, you can see the same shit beginning to happen here.
We still have groups of power mods but they have less power here because we arent limited to a single sub and the rules of a single company. We also have an open mod log.
If you assume they don’t have multiple accounts
I would love to see a Reddit stylometric analysis
I’d be curious to see what their AI permaban tag words are. So many words must be listed since they will ban you for violence if you even mention Luigi or say the word “dead.”
I’d also love to be a fly on the wall for those conversations to see their thought process for how they deny the first amendment and how many bots they need to replace the one person they banned to make the site seem full.
i’ve been banned twice the past two years… for talking about my cat killing rabbits. once on a local sub and another on a cat sub.
apparently animal on animal violence is now too controversial for reddit.
i was also constantly blocking people the past year because i go sooo many harassing DMs. Never used to get those until like '23. i remember using reddit for like 12 years without every having to block anyone.
SRS was the original DM harassers like over 10 years ago.
oh i can help with this one! calling gina curano a cunt is definitely one! now i cant have an account for more than 24 hrs without it being permabanned. they just ignore my appeals and requests to answer why i am permabanned over something as pathetic as that.
The fucked up thing (well, one of them) is that, with whatever new AI auto-moderation sentiment analysis thing they’ve employed in the past year or so, you receive absolutely no indication that action has been taken against your comments. Unlike shadowbanning, which has been around for donkey’s years, you still see your comments in-thread and can even get replies from certain users. It’s difficult to explain, even harder to prove, but they’re employing something such that certain tiers of users see your comments, while others don’t. Think skill-based match-making from the gaming world, but applied to thread-based social media. I hung on for quite a while after the writing was applied to the proverbial wall, but once I realized this I erased every trace of Reddit from every corner of my life. Now I’m here!
probably just an algorithm that groups users in accordance with known traits or interests or styles, furthering that ‘in group’ alignment feeling that comes from people who care about reddit comments lol
Just a point in all this. They can deny free speech all they want, they’re not a gov org. Only the 1st applies to the gov stifling free speech, a private org can do it all day long with no repercussions.
You are very smart
A short video on the subject:
Talks about ex Mods that have since either been defeated, or have just changed their names. “Cyxie”, “Gallowboob”, “Merari01”, “Siouxsie_siousv2” and “Awkwardtheturtle”.
Reddit post talking about Cyxie’s account being deleted:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/gk569a/cyxie_account_gone/
Fuck reddit.
Gallowboob being a mod in retrospect makes a lot of sense. Fucker was probably taking content, reposting it and deleting the original constantly.
Holy fuck the comment section of that video.
“CIA trannies”, references to Terry Davis’ “Glow in the dark n*****s”, etc. Someone mentioned Ghislaine Maxwell potentially being a mod and “wonder who all these people are IRL”, got replied with the singular word “Jews”.
Honorable mentions: “Nazi-communists”, “left-wing echo chamber” (uh why did I keep getting shown conservative and the donald when I browsed logged-out then?)
