“But I read a book written by one of the few people who were privileged enough to read and write, and things didn’t seem so bad!”
Literally me, fr fr
This is a real issue though. A lot of the writings on the actual lives of random people are from the perspective of “look what these weird foreigners do, instead of being normal like us”. And that’s not the most objective source.
This is what I dislike about most historical dramas. They focus almost entirely on the pampered (thought no doubt dramatic) lives of the rich and privileged, and lettered, ignoring the great majority of humanity that 1) were engaged every day with the drama of survival, 2) did all of the labour that allowed for those frilly few to write their letters all day.
EDIT: I write from the comfort of my home office on break at my WFH job… >_>
Back in my day we worked 28 hours a day and didnt complain!!
(They put cocaine in coca cola and lead in the water)
…and could afford houses and food
But now I sound like I’m wearing the same rose-tinted glasses as the folks I was making fun of
… as long as they were white.
And the… non-WASPs knew their place. They loved it too in fact!
(I’m paraphrasing some actual things that actual people have actually said about the good old days (but I can’t remember their actual euphemisms (dysphemisms) for non-WASPs))
The ones I grew up around called them heathens.
It never occurred to me that I should be grateful to have heard “heathen” used only by history professors and sarcasts.
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You can be angry, but being angry at things out of your control is not good for you.
We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable – but then, so did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings.
Ursula K. LeGuin
There’s little that’s legitimately out of your control. Of course, I don’t mean 1 person can topple Capitalism or anything, but 1 person can set up a union, join a protest, or set up a co-operative farm, educate others, or make meaningful grassroots change.
1 person can make a big difference in the lives of the people around them.
One person can do something, but one person can’t do everything. If you are already running a farm co-op, leading a union, or so on, you simply don’t have the time to address the hundred other things you can see in the news in a single day. The point still stands, you can’t control everything, so even if you are making change on one or two points, you have to avoid being angry about the hundred other things you cannot.
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It is, because nobody is willing to do what’s actually necessary. People talking about voting and protesting, that doesn’t do or mean shit.
Now if you set up the gallows and the BBQ to cook up the rich, I’m all for it and ready to help. That’s how you gonna get any real change.
Yeah voting is largely useless. But the gallows don’t happen without a revolution, which doesn’t happen without people getting in the streets (protest).
I don’t think that was the point of the post.
It was more “Never fall for a ‘things were good back then’ narrative because actually shit sucked even more in the past”
The Amazon reviews are really bad. If anyone is looking for a book with this same idea, The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined by Steven Pinker is really great.
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It’s not plagiarism if you plagiarize yourself! 😎👉👉
(Disclaimer: this is a joke, pls don’t tell hbomberguy I said the p word) (that was also a joke, no offense hburgerguy)
The other comments are quite sarcastic and I want to give you a bit of a less antagonizing response why Steven Pinker is kind of a hack.
He more or less “cooked the books” when it comes to explaining how much good capitalism helped the people around the world by doing very selective data analysis. In the end he really advocates for being complacent with the status quo and basically argues for the argument of Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan (which has been disproven a lot by anthropologists.
These videos are quite long but go into more detail:
And if you prefer to read: I’d recommend The Dawn of everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow.
Thanks for the information, I had no idea that Pinker had such an anti-following. I’ve not read or even thought about him in years. I just vaguely remembered that that book did a lot to make me more thankful for the current state of things compared to how they used to be. I appreciate you letting me know that he is such a questionable fellow.
Yep, I have found that just accepting one person’s words alone, especially in a field as politically charged as economics, is a terrible way to gain knowledge and understanding, just more misunderstanding. Pinker does a great job of being technically correct, but like the other commenters have pointed out, he is very careful of showing only some numbers and ignoring others, in order to massage a narrative that the status quo is flawed but ultimately not to be challenged.
The main things that stuck in my head after all those years was that stuff like assault, rape, murder, torture, entertainment-based animal abuse all used to be much worse. He said that people used to nail cats to posts around town so they would flail around until they died, just for the hell of it. I never fact-checked these claims.
I certainly believe it! Colonization and Imperialism in particular have an absolutely brutal history. Japanese soldiers occupying China and Korea used to catch babies on bayonets, and had quotas for how many ears they cut off. Dutch occupiers of the Congo would cut off the hands of underperforming workers, including children, and give the hands to their parents.
The thing is, generally, humans are guided and shaped by material conditions, and material conditions improve with democratization and industrialization.
Cool that you weren’t scared away by all the Toxicity in he other comments.
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Yeah. Enjoy the meme. Don’t buy the book.
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Love me some Steven Pinker. Should probably read one of his books. Does he do the reading of the audio books, does anyone know? He has lovely diction.
I didn’t know Amazon review score of books can get so low
In the past everything was better, even the future.
Karl Valentin
There’s a reason most historical fiction focuses on nobles and land-owners. You can tell interesting stories about them, and modern people can sort-of relate to their lifestyles. If you told stories about the common people, modern people wouldn’t be able to focus on the story, and would get distracted by how brutal and awful their day-to-day lives were.
Now fairy tales, that’s where the brutality comes in. Ever heard of “The Death of the Little Hen” collected by the Grimm brothers? The last line is, I kid you not, “and then everyone was dead”. Gotta get those kiddos used to pandemics and family sized tombstones.
Not really
You tell stories of people who could have it recorded and preserved
Remember, they used to prescribe real drugs instead of placebo bullshit. Those were the good old days.
Yeah nothing wrong with a bit of prescription mercury to clear up the old syphilis
I mean my wife sure is more productive around the house on amphetamines and morphine, and my kids sure are easier to deal with at bedtime when they take their heroin.
Amphetamine and morphine is my love language. Call me.
To be fair, if you take a sufficiently high dose of mercury, syphillis will no longer be your biggest problem.
That’s the spirit! You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
I’m reading The Way We Never Were and it’s amazing how much we get wrong about the good old days.
Ah the good ole days when children and infants were dying left and right, a splinter could mean a slow painful death by infection, and the local doctor prescribes drilling a hole in your head to release bad spirits
Don’t forget the “bloodletting”. Got to get that bad blood out along with the head spirits.
Some people today practice self-trepanation
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.”
“It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.”
You stupid monkey!
“He drinks a whiskey drink, he drinks a vodka drink.”
And yet it ends talking about going to a far better place than any before, so it must not have been all that ‘best’ after all.
Nope. Just the worst.
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And yet, life is called a gift.
“Gift” is a German word that means poison
And Norwegian!
Life seems like the result of such an unlikely complex Rube Goldberg machine where everything was just right to let life start then survive for a very long time. Plus we are made of various elements that had to be created in some of the universe’s biggest explosions.
It seems then that life should be something to be cherished while we briefly have it. I try to do just that.
…then we get to watch people around the world working hard to make life worse for those around them.
Curses can be gifts
Yeah how’s that return policy on white elephants going
I like my entertainment violent and educational.
Was just having a conversation recently on whether things have always been this close to a complete existential crisis for humans or is the current global situation unique. Most people felt like things have always been bad but I still feel like, with everything going on in terms of global conflicts and climate change, things are uniquely, complexly and extremely bad on a global scale compared to the past.
Ugh. I totally get it. And I feel like my older family felt the same way about the Cold War. Like can you imagine sitting through Bay of Pigs listening for potential incoming annihilation?
things are uniquely, complexly and extremely bad on a global scale compared to the past
I’m with you. But also, has every generation said exactly this?
Yeah, I imagine a lot of people alive during the world wars thought things were going to collapse any second as well. But I just feel the added background anxiety of the status quo causing the Earth to heat up catastrophically but slow enough to be ignored adds a novel layer of messed up to everything.
Ancient Horrors Beyond Comprehension
It’s true, the past sucked even more than now, and now sucks too, but their clothes were prettier–God, their clothes were so pretty. I can read about the horrors of the past all day, but I’ll always be just a lil jealous of the clothes
You can always wear vintage clothing, you know.
Modern people are smart and everybody in the past was dumb.
All that religion and mysticism. All that stuff about gods, little people, spirits, elves, afterlife, etc. Stuff that all the smart people talked about for thousands of years.
It’s all wrong. They were all just dumb.
Does that count as romanticizing too?
The problem is modern people are in fact not smarter. We’re in fact doing the exact same thing we’ve always been doing
Time is a circle
Ka is a wheel, gunslinger.
Time is a progression. I hope we’ve gotten smarter but we still do often fall for the same tricks.
(Abstract narrative that everyone can agree with without agreeing what tricks we’re all falling victim to.)
I agree. And every time a new way of thinking comes along, everybody hates all the other ways of thinking.
